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Nothing in this program should be considered investment advice. It is for educational purposes only. Please hit pause and read this disclaimer in full. What is your job, Trump? It is to reset the world order through tariffs, move us to multiparity. Uh pump as much money into the stock market and we'll hedge our bets. Um [music] and uh the the economy doesn't matter. The stock market does. Ladies and gentlemen, as always, today we are going to start with the big picture. We're going to dial all the way out and then move back into the center. And today we're talking with a true visionary who is charting an escape route via Bitcoin and decentralized finance. Today's guest is Simon Dixs and I've been looking forward to this podcast for a very long time. He is the CEO and co-founder of Bank to the Future, revolutionary investment platform that's funneled an enormous amount of capital into fintech and crypto ventures since 2011. That puts it in context. He is the author of the groundbreaking 2012 book Bank to the Future, the very first to champion Bitcoin as a bull work against fiscal meltdowns. and he's an ex-banker, has launched Bitcoin capital funds, rallied millions through crowdfunding for cuttingedge firms, emerged as a leading crusader against the rigged legacy system. You know, I'm all about that. And Simon is going to connect some big dots for us today. Help explain his proof of weapons network concept. All so we can begin to figure out how the world actually works, which enables us hopefully to make better decisions with our own lives. Welcome to FinanceU. I'm your host, Chris Martinson. Simon, welcome to the program. >> Thank you so much for having me, Chris. >> Yeah, real pleasure. So, uh, to begin, um, your background, I mean, most of my audience will know you from Twitter or Bitcoin circles, but many might be new to you as well. Can you a two-minute version, you know, why did a successful London investment banker walk away in 2006, predict the 2008 crisis, become one of the earliest Bitcoin advocates? Tell us, take us through that arc if you could. Yeah, sure. I guess my my journey in finance began 25 years ago. Uh my father lost all of his money in the dotcom boom and bust. So, you know, he went from taking his entire life to make a million pounds uh to losing it all in the dotcom boom and bust. And um he didn't ever understand what happened to his money. So, he asked me one day, "Son, I don't know where that money went. Who ended up with that money?" And I got obsessed with that question. Um so kind of went down the conventional route like studied economics um you know did financial qualifications to try and find out how to give financial advisory um work and then um you know ended up as a tea boy at a stock broker and then got myself um you know into the city of London started as a a market maker on the London Stock Exchange um and then really wanted to understand a bit more about the business side. So uh my last corporate job was in corporate finance um and on the side I was just really studying monetary reform read um you know books on how money really works and realized that I'm just a cog in a wheel but no one really fully understands the whole system um and so I decided that I would throw in the corporate towel in 2006 um and sent about giving lectures on uh monetary reform um and once I realized what the banking system, you know, how it actually works. Um, decided that I'd attempt to create um, a non-fractional reserve bank to kind of demonstrate how a sustainable bank might work. Um, hit many, many challenges um, and realized that it wasn't actually possible. Um, if you want to engage in banking, you have to create digital currency every time you issue a loan. And if you wanted to do full reserves, you have to build it on top of somebody else's bank. So you do full reserve but they do fractional reserves. And so uh uh you know after failing at trying to create a bank um ended up uh being invited to the first Bitcoin conference which was in Prague when uh Bitcoin had crashed from $30 to $3. Um and uh the realized that the only way to build outside the system um was to actually build on top of an alternative currency. So at that moment um invested in Bitcoin at $3 and uh uh started when Bitcoin did really well, I started supporting other companies that can raise finance and ended up investing in about 100 different companies that became multi-billion dollar unicorns now like Coinbase, Kraken, Circle, Bitstamp, Bitfinex, and uh many others. Um, and just been on a a 15 15 year journey of seeing Bitcoin come from an activist movement of us versus the banks with a few crazy people in the room um to actually a $2.3 trillion market cap with the largest uh financial institutions in the world deciding that they need to um embrace this sector. And so now uh I'm kind of at the stage where I'm trying to educate people. You know, Bitcoin treated me very well. So I just spend my time educating people on the original mission of what we set out to achieve because now Wall Street uh wants to control Bitcoin as much as possible. So uh trying to help people understand how to be sovereign outside the system um and recognize some of the the future trends now that we're moving to this world of Bitcoin, artificial intelligence, central bank digital currencies and you know an Orwellian programmable nightmare. Uh so that's my that's my journey and it brings me to where we are now. >> Fantastic summary by the way. Very similar journeys for us except I didn't um get into Bitcoin when I probably should have obviously. So um but it was uh I was working in corporate finance for a while then I was a a consultant and then you know I lost all this I didn't lose a million pounds but I got um a big haircut in in the dot bust. So it got me curious and I started looking around and I remember clearly what happened to me. It was 2004. before I read Creature from Jackal Island and I said, "Whoa, oh, hold up. I've got a PhD. I've got an MBA. Nobody ever taught me that. Like, this is is this how money is made?" So, I had to go out and prove it wrong. And of course, it's all right. Um the banking system just makes money out of thin air. And it hop skip and a jump. But it led me to conclude that, oh, this is a really elegant form of slavery when you look at it in a certain way where somebody controls your life force with very little energy expended on their side, right, for the effort. Maybe that's a skip too far for a lot of folks, but you spend enough time in there, you go, "Hey, wait a minute. [laughter] This is a scam, isn't it?" Well, not only is it a scam, but it's a very well-crafted and engineered Ponzi scheme. You know, every single fiat currency is created as a credit by a bank. Uh, you know, the bank creates money every time they issue a loan. Um, and then they charge interest on that loan. Now, when you go out into put it right back down into if you create $1,000 by issuing a loan, um, somebody has to pay a 10% interest and repay $1,100. Uh, where is the $100? Well, it needs to be created into existence by somebody else borrowing it. And so, you end up, if you look at the the British Empire, you know, you started when the Bank of England was around, we need some money for war. uh the Bank of England was created. An elaborate accounting scheme that allowed for this double entry um bookkeeping was created in order to get the government into debt. So the Bank of England got to create uh you know got to create the the pound. Uh the government got to borrow it. They got the the the war machine. Um and then right up until you know the the the First World War uh the British government were bankrupted. So, you know, the experiment was repeated again with a couple of central banks in America. Then finally, they got the Federal Reserve. Um, and now the Federal Reserve has taken the American government via a military-industrial complex from virtually no debt to $38 trillion. And that's by design. Um, you know, the the the central banking system is the privatization of a fiat currency um that where there's not enough interest to repay the debt. And so therefore, the only thing that keeps the engine alive is refinancing the debt, whether that's an individual, a corporate debt. Um, and then you get crony capitalism to get the cheap rates while the average person pays payday loans and credit cards. Um, you know, 30 40% interest. And, uh, uh, the corporate that has access, uh, can get 0%. U, um, through quantitative easing or whatever it may be. Um and obviously um get the government into debt and then use the global finance system to get every government into debt um until they keep buying the last treasury until no one will buy a treasury and then the system just goes uh and repeats itself in the next world order. >> Well, this is brilliant. So I want to this is cutting to the chase of a lot of my life's work as well, which is this idea that let me leave aside the moral dimension of how I think of fiat money. It has a math problem baked into it which is in that interest component you mentioned that little hitch step. It's just a feature of the system, not a bug, a feature. It's going to constantly be growing exponentially, right? Because we're compounding interest on top of interest and if it doesn't get more credit in enough to satisfy the prior interest, the whole thing goes kaput. So since 1971 when we banned the gold standard, we've been compounding our debts in the United States, not just federal, but across the whole system. at about 9% a year and our economy is growing at 3% a year. We have a math problem. We are the claims, all that debt is now spiking and it's piling up. And I think this is not wonky. This is perfect setup for understanding why I think we're going to a new system of world control or organization cuz this old model, you don't have to be a math genius. It's got a math flaw and it's going to break sooner or later. >> Yeah, you got it exactly right. Those are the key things. If you take the growth rate and you take the average interest rate, um, and as long as that growth rate is outperforming that average interest rate, then you can keep the Ponzi going. Uh, but when the average interest rate is above the growth rate, you have a problem. Um, and so now we've hit a stage where we're at the end of what I consider to be the US debt cycle. Um, and because the economy is so K-shaped as we as as the term comes where the rich are getting richer, the poor are getting poorer, there are those that have access are on the right side of the debt. It's their asset and there are those where they are the assets because they're in debt. Um and so uh you you you know you have this system now where uh people are so indebted that you've hit um you know wealth inequality is causing psychological issues. It's causing suicide rates. It's causing low birth rates because people can't afford. Um it's causing mental issues, drug addictions, homelessness. Um it's causing extreme, you know, populism. um those that feel shafted by the system are going more and more extreme to the left and looking for the government to resolve their issue and those that are benefiting from the system are hedging their bets leaving and deciding what they're going to do with their assets. So then eventually you end up with only the most unproductive um and you cannot outgrow you cannot use any productivity in that type of environment to outpace the interest at which point you get radical things being done with monetary policy. Um and uh that's where I think we are right now. >> So so to get to this then I I agree with all of that and I think that we're a couple of smart guys but there's a lot of smart people in the government. They know this. They must know this. They must know that the system has an expiry date upon it and it's not that far in the future. It's not a hundred years from now. It's somewhere out there. So, I I think this is important to understand because um obviously they're not going to just sail into a giant, you know, deflationary Ponzi scheme collapse without a plan. And I think the plan is all the stuff we're detecting. But let me dial back to that. Do you believe that that we're the only two people out there who can see this? Or do you think there are people within the within the financial universe who see this too? >> Uh absolutely they know exactly what's happening. Um so this is inevitable, predictable, guaranteed. Um but it is hidden behind layers and layers and layers of complexity where many many different institutions are cogs in the wheel. Um but you know it's uh it's and I think it's really important. I think this is one thing that not many people see. Um, and uh, you talked about a con a phrase that I coined called proof of weapons. It's a it's a strange phase phrase, but it comes from Bitcoin cuz well, Bitcoin's backed by energy and they call it proof of work. So, it's a decentralized supercomput that powers the network that um, enforces this fixed supply and the ability for you to own your own money without a bank and send it, you know, without government permission. Um and so they came up with this phrase, you know, Satoshi used this phrase or hit him this phrase proof of work. Um I describe fiat currency as proof of weapons. Um and the reason is is because most people think of a government as too big and the ultimate power structure. Um I argue that the government is 100% subordinate to a private corporate structure. Um and it consists of several players. Um, at the root of it, it is a central bank, but underneath the central bank are the shareholders. And in the case of the Federal Reserve, you've got the 12 regional banks, and underneath that, you have all the clearing banks. And so, the Federal Reserve is owned by the private banks that get to create the dollar. Um, and then through this uh this, you know, this this ability to create the dollar, you have the ability to determine where capital gets allocated. And so banks favorite asset is obviously a mortgage. Uh they get they like to create money through a mortgage. Uh which is why real estate prices always go up. Uh because as long as you can create money to issue a mortgage and you can further duration um which is what they're doing at the moment. Uh then you get to create dollars and you receive interest on those dollars and when there's a crisis you can get the government to bail you out. How do you control the government? Well, you allocate lobby finance and so the government is for sale. Um, if you want to buy Congress, if you want to buy Senate, then there is a budget for every member of Senate and every member of Congress. Um, and it's called lobby. And so the banking lobby is a large lobby. Um, and you have all these different types of weapons um of different sectors. Um, but at the ultimate top of the structure, you have what I call people are familiar with the word military-industrial complex. I call it a financial industrial complex. You have the the retail commercial banks that get to create a fiat currency every time they issue a loan in a debt based Ponzi. Uh then they can go to the investment banks which get to create securitize, financialize, um even now tokenize, but they get to turn the assets into products. Um they also have the ability to issue through the bond market, roll over the debt um through purchasing bonds with money they create out of nothing. Um and uh then you have uh at the top of that you have the asset managers and the asset managers basically created these different types of schemes where you would give all your pension money every month, all of your insurance premiums every month, um all of your student loans through endowments, all of your credit card financing, and they would use the investment bank to structure them into mortgage back securities, you know, all these different types of products. Um and uh then you would have the ability to control and influence every stock uh by taking all of these passive investments. Um people can't be bothered to find the complexity of how to invest in a few companies. So they invest in the S&P 500. Uh that gives those that are managing these S&P 500 index funds a lot of power. Um and it's the asset managers that are that are getting all of these flows and passively investing them. Um so now you have the asset management industry. Now when you use these investment banks, they also create tools to control prices. That's the derivatives market. And so by creating auctions, futures and various other financial weapons of mass destruction, uh they have the ability to use that vast capital um utilize it via a network of hedge funds um in the asset management industry and do all sorts of elaborate things to manipulate prices. Um and uh this is the financial industrial complex. Now if you use those derivatives to send companies bankrupt if you want um you can then acquire them on the cheap through the private equity industry. Uh you then have a venture capital industry which takes all the entrepreneurs and primes them for becoming public companies through the investment banks. And so through this very, you know, what quote unquote seems like a capitalist system, um, you've essentially created an entire financial industrial complex that allows for any company to be subordinate to that network. uh because you know what you end up doing take a very successful company for example like Tesla you know um if you want to control Elon Musk um you have the ability to pump all those passive index funds into Tesla by allowing them to get a credit rating and on the S&P included in the index um you also have um some of the more the most successful money managers like BlackRock um they have technology like Aladdin where uh basically all of the different money managers uses their data and so by controlling those datas you get to allocate capital flows with all of these different money managers. Now the interesting thing is when you look at what technology do the Treasury use when they're allocating things like stimulus checks and quantity you know and various other um checks. Well they use Black Rockck's technology. Then you look at what does the Federal Reserve use? Uh well the Federal Reserve uses Black Rockck's technology in much of their monetary policy. So now you've got an asset manager that has access to all the voting rights on all the shares. Um, all of these different banks and institutions, the financial industrial complex are all public companies. And so, Black Rockck via your pension gets a board seat on all the companies. Uh, gets passive flows to be the largest shareholders. So, they can influence vote and via their network of investment banks and, uh, they get to decide whether you get access to capital. And so if you comply with the network, you get access to capital, you get preferential treatment. So if Elon Musk decides to comply with the network, he can take his Tesla stock, borrow against it, uh, and now Elon Musk is subordinate to the network. If they want to ruin his net worth, they can knock him off the network by using some derivatives to manipulate the share price, which should then knock him off the S&P 500. So they don't get access to index. They don't get access to the money printing because the the fiscal policy and monetary policy is being managed via the same network. Um, and you can essentially create a subordinate power structure. And so when you look at what are the most important companies, well, you have a military-industrial complex, which is all the military companies. They're all public. They're all subordinate to the same structure. They get access to all the Pentagon budgets. So the government can print a trillion dollars, allocate it to military companies, they have access to intelligence agencies, what we would call the deep state. And so they're subordinate to this structure as well. uh because you know you've got the ability to um access these capital flows. What about all the big tech companies? You know, you'd think that Nvidia is on top of the world right now and Apple and Google and uh Palender. Uh actually they're all subordinate to the same structure because their share price to get access to all of this money printing capital flows is nothing to do with earnings per share or anything like that. It's access to Pentagon budgets, it's access to money printing, it's access to hiding information via Pratz and media which is also controlled by the same network. Um, and so now you can actually even control the algorithms of you know uh Tik Tok uh X uh all of these different technical industrial complex. And so all this to say is what is the proof of weapons network? Well, it weaponizes technology, finance, military, deep state intelligence, media, um, under a structure of a network that lobbies the government, controls Treasury, um, and also provides the technology to Fed. And who are the Fed? Monetary policy. Who owns monetary policy? The banks. And so really what looks like capitalism is actually a privatized unaccountable structure. And then it even goes a little bit deeper because we've started to see all these blackmail networks, you know, the Epstein, the BDIS, um these, let's put them under the deep state. They're connected to intelligence. And so you can bribe judicial. And so Congress, Senate, judicial, monetary policy, fiscal policy, every single company, 20,000 companies, access to capital. Um, you essentially are a power structure uh that that you just utilize the government as a piggy bank. The government's job is to create 38 trillion dollars of debt. Uh, and then eventually the dollar is no longer useful to this network. And so you can change capital flows into different countries, different currencies, and rebuild the financial industrial complex outside of the dollar system. Um, and so that's what I I think people need to understand that governments are not in charge. Governments are subordinate. So when I look at Trump, I don't see Trump's tariff policy. I see Black Rockck's tariff policy. I don't see negotiations uh between countries. I see countries negotiating with Black Rockck's portfolio companies. You know, where Nvidia is going to get a new contract. Today, as we record, NBS is visiting the White House. They're renegotiating the pro dollar. And who's on top of those negotiations? It's the financial industrial complex that's co-investing with the Gulf sovereign wealth. and Trump is an administrator to fulfill those negotiations and then just put narrative on top. This is to make America great again. Um, and sorry I went very deep there, but that that helps you understand this network that is mainly controlled by large financial players. >> Today's markets are more volatile than ever with ongoing economic and geopolitical [music] uncertainty. Navigating such environments requires thoughtful, adaptive [music] strategies, not a one-sizefits-all approach. At Peak Financial Investing, our [music] registered investment advisory firm connects clients with experienced wealth managers who focus [music] on active portfolio management. These professionals use evidence-based strategies designed [music] to respond to changing conditions, not outdated formulas, but customized [music] approaches grounded in research, discipline, and risk awareness. We believe in open, informed conversations, including discussing tools like precious metals and diversification as part of a broader financial [music] strategy. 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So, fast forward, I I've been a longtime silver investor and I've watched them do apply this network in this little tiny market. Silver's chump change, 38 billion total market cap. Like this little thing, doesn't matter. They come in and they wang it around with derivatives and they abuse it and they do all this stuff. And fast forward, here we are, six years in a row now, we've had structural deficits where we're not getting as much silver out as we're using because price, supply, demand. It's a simple economic chart. price is too low to create more supply and demand is now about to move price. At any rate, point is is that this system was optimizing for raping the silver market over and over again for money, but it wasn't looking for the longer term, saying, "Hey, is this the right thing to do? Is this serve our longer term interests?" Or there could be, let's say, second order consequences to that. that is anybody in this system overseeing any of this or is this just one big sort of like Borg that people have plugged their money conger into and and it really doesn't have a driver. >> Yeah, I'd say um at the top of the power structure people people like to think it's like an organized cabal of um and come up with conspiracy theories. Um I think it's less sophisticated than that. Um I think it's actually just reached this stage where the more assets you can manage the more power you have in the network. Um and so you know if you it's determined by private wealth, it's determined by institutional wealth management. Um it's determined by asset management and it's determined by the ability to create the dollar and to create the stocks and bonds. And so you can you imagine a power a power struggle of you've got a farce at the bottom which is the government. You know people think they vote you know the the network decides who the president is and right >> and they they have full ability to do that and if you go against that grain you can either be you know knocked down with a weapon you can either be bribed, blackmailed or assassinated at the extreme. Um, and they have the ability to do all of the above. Um, and so there is no power structure that's taking on this system because the system's too big. Um, but who is at the very top of that structure? Um, well, it's just determined by assets under management really. Um, and it used to be private banking families. You know, way back in the day, you'd have very organized private wealth. And for example, when the Federal Reserve was created, you know, the governor was one of the Warbergs. Uh the Warbergs were also one of the brothers. One was a governor of the Federal Reserve. The other was a governor of the Rice Bank and the Rice Bank was connected to later the bank for international settlements and they funded, you know, the Nazi Germany. Um through this network, Wall Street also funded the Bolevik Revolution and the overthrow of the Russians SAR and replaced it with the Soviet Union. So the same families originally were funding fake capitalism with the Federal Reserve, fascism with Nazi Germany and communism and the so you know through the Soviet Union. And so they hedge every position and they would whichever ideology maintains it's still the same finance houses but over time they became public and so as they became public they they put everything for sale and so right now if for example you want to gain influence and control over the entire west the west because it is now fully financialized securitized and you can buy polic politicians. All you need to do is get a stake in BlackRock. And so obviously me and you, Joe Schmo, we could invest in BlackRock. Uh but if you end up with significant wealth, so maybe you're China, you got a manufacturing base, you've got trillions of dollars of reserves, you're you're running a trade surplus. America's running a trade deficit. And the trade deficit country, the biggest export of America is the dollar, the debt. The dollar is debt. And so America needs to export the dollar, i.e. export debt. You create wars in order to do that. Uh that's you know the covert operations. Whereas China's got a manufacturing base. America was built on a military-industrial complex manufacturing base. But over time it sold it. It financialized it. It securitized it. Um, and so China ended up with the cheap labor and building that manufacturing base. So if you're got surplus and you got sovereign wealth, which some countries do, some in Europe like Norway have it. Um, you've got the Gulf countries, the Qataris, the uh, Emiratis, the um the the Saudis um, and various others. And you got China. Um so if you want to buy America and influence over America you just buy Black Rockck State Street and Vanguard. Now Vanguard is private. Um but uh if you look at the largest shareholder and uh you think about this um the largest shareholder in Black Rockck it is actually the Q80 sovereign wealth fund. And so you can influence the entire geopolitics and and uh through buying Black Rockck. Now, what is Black Rockck? Originally, you could have thought of the military-industrial complex was nationalistic. It was aligned with America. You know, there was an old phrase, what's good for General Motors is good for America. But these are now global institutions. And so, when they're analyzing their spreadsheets, they're just looking at not nationalistic America first, European first, UK first. They're thinking about how do I maximize profits? How do I hedge? And how do I profit from any scenario? And so you can profit from creating a war, hedge if it goes wrong, profit from reconstruction contracts, build the financial weapons of mass destruction to subordinate countries. Um, and this is what they do. Their goal is to turn everything into an asset and own the asset. And so you can influence wealth. And so that's why I believe we're moving to a multipolar world because Black Rockck is essentially co-investing with the Gulf States in every deal and all the money from the Gulf States is coming from China's manufacturing who's buying the oil off the Gulf States. So then if Saudi for example says, well the last 60 years were about the petro dollar, but America is now competing with us. They're energy independent. They're an exporter of oil and gas. Um, what are we going to do? Who's giving us all our money now? It's China. So, China's our customer. And what are we going to do with our excess money? Well, we're going to buy America. We're going to buy Open AI. We're going to buy Black Rockck shares. We're going to buy all of the artificial intelligence. And then we're going to use our influence to be able to negotiate nuclear energy data centers artificial intelligence. Um, and we want that in the Middle East. We'll be better at that. And and so now the chess board can be reset. We're no longer subordinate to America. It's going through decolonization process. The important customer is China. And so you you that's where we are today. And so the whole point here is that you kind of look at China defended against with capital controls and having never having a corporate structure that could go above the government. So they they've protected themselves from that. But America is now controlled by that structure and that structure is hosted in America with no America first agenda. So they don't care um what happens to America as long as they have the capital markets. And so now you've got this divergence. The economy is going to The stock market's doing really well. And the government is doing fiscal dominance. It's printing printing printing printing printing to prop up the stock market. And that really summarizes where we are. And the Trump administration has a job. What is your job, Trump? It is to reset the world order through tariffs, move us to multipolarity, uh pump as much money into the stock market, and we'll hedge our bets. Um and uh the the economy doesn't matter, the stock market does. >> So then this is really a system of control. And so control is shifting. The baton, the multipolar world is is fancy way of saying, okay, it's not just United States anymore. Um I got a host of questions around that. The first would be um I sort of have the impression that that maybe Putin wasn't was a little bit of a thorn in the side of that model for two reasons. First, when he took over, he kicked all the billionaires out, right? The oligarchs we call them. Sorry, oligarchs. You have to use the correct politically correct US term. We're we have billionaires, they have oligarchs, right? So, he kicked them out and cuz he said I think he s got them to the table and said, "We can play do this easy way, hard way. I'd rather do it the easy way." They said, "Nah, we we think we can crush you." They lost. And then I've heard recently like the EU leadership, odious as it is, like Kala saying, "Oh, it's our goal to sort of split Russia up into a bunch of states and, you know, basically harvest their resources." It it it feels to me like Putin's not playing their game. And that's explains the the deep hatred because it's not the hatred of actual people. It's what this this network you're talking about has decided this guy isn't we he's he's not doing how how we want him to do it, so we're going to make people hate him. you know, that's kind of how it's felt to me. >> Um, I'd agree with that. And, uh, drawing into that, digging into that a little bit, um, the first thing to realize is that there is no such thing as media or reporting. Um, there's only propaganda. And so, um, whenever you read media, for example, if I read the Financial Times, I don't see an accurate assessment of reality. I say this is what the proof of weapons the financial industrial complex wants you to do with your money. And so through articles they push out narratives and then it goes through alternative media and traditional media and and then that reallocates capital flows you know um if you're watching Al Jazzer that's what QA wants you to believe. If you're watching if you're reading Axius that's what Israel wants you to believe. if you're watching Fox, you know, and CNN, that's what both sides of the Uni Party want you to believe through two different narratives. Um, and so there is no such thing as journalism. There is just propaganda. And what we found out, for example, when Elon came on came in with the Department of Government Efficiency, um, there was a lot that that AI revealed that probably wasn't meant to come out. Um, I'm not sure whether it was or maybe it strategically wasn't meant to come out because maybe they're weakening the dollar. And what all I see right now is operations to make it where you don't want to invest in America anymore and weaken the dollar. You know, that's what everything's, you know, Trump is an agent of chaos and I believe he works for the banks and the financial industrial complex. Um but anyway um you know you could see that USAID um was funding into the BBC and Ukrainian media in order to push out a narrative and the narrative was Putin is Hitler. Uh whether you like him or not, that's not what I'm saying. I'm just saying how things are. Um what did Putin do? You quite rightly articulated that we had the fall of the Soviet Union. uh we then had the neoliberal installation of western central banks, western debt uh markets um and those that were connected in the Soviet Union system became the oligarchs um and so they was you know Putin came along and said no we're going to nationalize our resources make it where people don't have to pay as much tax by having a national oil um we'll still have our military-industrial complex. Um, but anyone that's trying to take our strategic resources and financialize them and put them into the West um, you know, and those oligarchs that are facilitating that, he arrested them, chugged them out, and wouldn't allow for that agenda. He had a a nationalistic identity. And so the media machine then says, "Right, you are Hitler. Um, and let's make you Hitler." Um now what's interesting is when when I look at you know you obviously have right we are defending democracy what does defending democracy mean? >> Yeah >> it means you have a narrative that justifies the money that is being printed through the Federal Reserve to go back into the military military-industrial complex. Now, if you want the Bank of England to print money and the ECB to print money, uh, then you use NATO. And so through the deep state, you have the military companies that need the money. They want you to print ECB. They want those euros to come back into the US stock market. Um, and what is the benefit of this? Well, you can subordinate Europe to the proof of weapons network. So it's not America, it's America is the host country for the network. So the financial industrial complex uses the military-industrial complex in order to agitate wars. Um uses its intelligence in order to overthrow government. So it installed, you know, did a colored revolution in Ukraine in 2014. Mhm. >> And it then did another series of operations later to blow up Nordstream pipeline, switch off the gas to Germany. Now what was the European Union? Well, it was a project from the Bank for International Settlements to subordinate through one single currency um all of Europe. And so if you can get all of Europe to go onto one currency, then you can control that currency. And so they created the European Central Bank and the European Union. Now you have European Central Bank as a piggy bank to the network. Um and so essentially what did they do? Well, what is Europe? Europe is big Germany. You know, Germany was the military-industrial complex of the Nazi regime. um that then installed a western German central bank that then facilitated the transition to the European Central Bank via the bank for international settlements. Um and so you have um Germany which had a manufacturing base. It requires cheap gas um and in order to facilitate that and that was really the backbone of Europe. everything else went into it was like big Germany um you know um and that was really important um for holding up Europe. So if Black Rockck comes along and says let's radicalize the world and and by the way when I say things like this I don't mean it's not true like I don't know what your opinion is on climate change. Um but you can radicalize people if it's true or if it's not. You can either have a covert operation to push research out into the universities and then indoctrinate through you know publishing different papers or it could be true and you utilize it and weaponize it and both happen. So climate change radicalized people into getting a trillion dollars of European Central Bank and Bank of England money. um switching off nuclear energy, uh losing access to the gas through sanctions, um and at the same time getting them to invest trillions into uh renewable energy projects that were only ever going to succeed in China, [laughter] you know, but Black Rockck got all of that money in their portfolio companies. And so through the war through agitating a war in Ukraine with Russia um and implementing sanctions from Europe and America um the proof of weapons networks subordinated and destroyed Europe and now the private equity companies are buying it all up on the jeep. You know they're getting all their rare earth deals via Trump. uh they're getting a a NATO narrative of hey why don't you take 5% of your budget and put it into US stocks which is you know the military-industrial complex uh we'll install Kestarma Macron Money in Canada you know these are all the chosen leaders of the proof of weapons network and all you know and all Kosama's job is to do is you become a battering ram for the public but create narrative of why you can send all this money to Ukraine and then it comes back into purchasing weapons and there's a bunch of deep state you know corrupt operations in the middle that siphon off much of the money but the west just becomes a narrative for justifying what's actually happening and the reality is um when I look at Ukraine right now um you know Russia went from 22 2% debt to GDP to a 9% debt to GDP in this time. Um the narrative is that they're about to the economy is about to collapse. they're propped up by the relationship with China and uh they've created you know this bricks corridor that you can't defeat and um and so really Ukraine's over sadly and uh this proof of weapons network via the deep state and the military-industrial complex installed Zalinski and Zilinski is sacrificing to the last Ukrainian. Um Ukraine's over like Russia's going to own it. There's no way out of that. And uh Black Rockck is using the UK economy to collateralize the debt via the IMF to push Bank of England, ECB, and Fed money into the network to prop up the price of those dogs and they're essentially getting the assets the the whole of Ukraine is going to be owned by Russia and Black Rockck. That's the end result. And so when you when Europe sanctions Russia, uh when America sanctions Russia, they're sanctioning Europe because Europe is the vassal state. the the in and and they're even I believe manufacturing civil unrest with immigration policy using racial tensions, religious tensions um in order to you know usher in a surveillance state, a central bank digital currency, a digital ID. Uh they know that when you do this, you're going to create civil unrest. When you have civil unrest, you have what they had at Patriot Act after 9/11. you have the ability to implement what they what they want to implement which is control the west fully uh through the technical industrial complex and um it's a very successful operation >> successful in the short term let me so my prime framing in life I I put together uh energy in the economy and really we like to think of energy as a subset of the economy but it's exactly backwards if you have energy all things are possible and all things flow from that and So, isn't this kind of like the children's story, killing the goose that laid the golden egg? So, so, so they're torpedoing Germany, the the industrial heart of Europe. They are losing all of their energyintensive industries because, you know, they blew up the the Nordstream pipelines and they took down their last power nuclear power plants and they put this horribly uh expensive and intermittent alternative energy in its place. Uh, so they're de-industrializing very rapidly. I get it. So, but is private what are they going to swoop in and clean up? They're going to they're basically going to in order to gain 10% of the country's former output, they're willing to sacrifice the other 90%. I I don't get it. It's like it looks like it's a self- emilation project right now. >> Um that would make sense if you thought America was national and Europe was national and sovereign and UK was national and sovereign. Um they're owned by the proof of weapons network. And so the financial industrial complex is looking at a spreadsheet and saying right um we've assets stripped everything we can get out of here. Um they're so mentally drugaddicted, homeless, wealth inequality. Um they're not having children anymore. Like where where's the labor? Who's still having labor right now? Uh the Africans and the Middle East Muslim countries. So they're saying, right, they're the only ones that are still having labor. Um, you know, what are we going to do with the West? Well, we need to replace all the labor with robotics and AI. Um, we need to vaselize everything so that we can build all these data centers and we need to engineer a reset of the world order in the Middle East. So, how do we do that? Well, historically, Israel has been part of the military-industrial complex. I don't think Netanyahu works for Israel. Uh Netanyahu works for the military-industrial complex. His job was to prop up the petro dollar, make sure that the Middle East never unified around their energy. Um, and Israel was a mechanism for using religious tensions to weaponize the Jewish faith to recruit a radicalized army. that believed that they were being killed by Muslims. They also used a series of operations like Iraq war, 911 or the forever wars or the plan of the seven countries that they already decided they were going to invade pre 911 um in order to radicalize militia groups, create groups like ISIS, al-Qaeda. Um and these are just paid militia. They're not they're not people that are trying to implement Islam around the world. narrative. These are armies that are agents of chaos open to the highest bidder and contractors to intelligence. Okay. Um and then what did they do? They radicalized evangelical Christians into believing and this is a narrative that's being disrupted right now into believing you need to protect Israel. So you you weaponized Christianity, Islam, and Judaism in order to make sure that the Middle East would never reunify around that early Egyptian vid vision of a of an Arab League unified around their resources. Um, but now you want to work with the the Middle East. So now you say, right, the military-industrial complex will exit the forever war model. What are you going to give us? Uh that's where the financial industrial complex comes in. And they said right well in order to work with Saudi Arabia, Qatar, UAE, the Gulf States, the Gulf Cooperation Council, let's stop this narrative of Iran versus Israel. Um let's get, you know, China normalized between Iran and Saudi and said, let's dolarize. So, China came along, created the construct for peace in the Middle East. Um, and then now you've just got Israel, which historically has been propped up by military budgets, and you say, "Right, Israel, you're going to become a normal state now. Um, and we would like to invest in stability and regional stability. So let's vaselize the entire Leavant Lebanon um you know uh have a Palestinian state. Saudi bought the European leaders. So you got the recognition of Palestine in Europe because Saudi spent $3 trillion uh to invest in infra all of the buying of Europe with the financial industrial complex. And so now if you look at every single deal that's happening in the world all of them you'll see them come out today you've got the financial industrial complex and the GCC in every deal whether it's the acquisition of X whether it's the acquisition of open AI whether it's investment in Nvidia it is large financial players co-investing with the Gulf countries um and so they are saying we we now want to invest in building data centers and AI in the Middle We want you to have a nuclear program. So, let's just take away the nuclear weapon narrative, which was a narrative. Let's take away strategic tension between Iran and Israel that never fight but continually look like they're going to fight. Let's stop funding the militia groups. Let's dradicalize. Let's tell the world like and you're getting all of these different people that are coming out and like Ducker Carlson, Candace Owen and even the extremists like Nick Fuentes that were cancelled before. You have these people that are now pushing narrative of it wasn't us. We were blackmailed by Jeffrey Epstein. It we we never did this. It's it's Israel that did this. It's because Netanyahu rules the world. The Zionists rule the world. and with ethical Americans that got fooled by these radicals and they're even pushing out, you know, I believe the algorithms are allowing for Jew hatred and Muslim hatred in order to, you know, push out these almost Nazilike narratives. Um, and this is, I think, it serves two purpose, a destabilization campaign in the West and a regional stability campaign in the Middle East. And so now I believe you're going to get the fastest growth in the Middle East because for the first time uh you've got Gulf and Iran who were the most important customer China and so bricks aligned with Russia Iran they've got this alternative payment network they partnered with the Gulf countries to ddollarize and the price of gold's going through the roof and world reserve currency in dollars and treasury ries is going down. You've got the dollar weakening. You've got the long-term rates of bonds going up. And you've got Trump saying, "Let's let's use fiscal dominance. Forget the Fed. Let's install some puppets. Um let's get those rates down to a quarter of a percent." which is another way of saying let's pump the hell out of the stock market and let's refinance the American debt at subsidized below market rates. How do we do that? Let's create stable coins. Let's deregulate pensions. Let's dump it on the American people cuz Japan's selling the UK. We can just make them buy it. That's they're our largest buyer. But who's the largest buyer of foreign buyer of government government US government treasuries right now? It's Cayman Island. Who's Cayman Island? [laughter] >> Who's Cayman? It's it's it's the hedge funds. It's the financial industrial complex. So they're dumping subsidized US debt. And then you get things like 50-year mortgages, which is a bailout for the banks. um you know that's the banks are sat on two you know trillions of dollars of two to three% mortgages that they'd like everyone to refinance to 6 to 8% um you know and that's we'll do that through the 50 year. So all policies are let's give them $2,000 check stimulate. Let's do extended mortgages. Let's launch stable coins backed by treasuries. Let's de let's allow more product into treasuries. Let's push the rates down below market rate. That is subsidizing stock market growth. pumping the market while co-investing in the new world order and shrinking America into a regional power and then testing telling the world how do we tell the world don't work with America don't work with China now that's tariffs is one way of doing it and the other way is saying we're going to kill all the Christian the Christians are being targeted in Nigeria Nigeria is going to say hold on is America going to raid us right now uh we better start working with China we better start working with Russia. We better start putting our alternative defense contracts and and even with Israel, they're saying, "All right, Israel is no longer needed." What's happening? Qatar is now doing an agreement with America, and they're all circumventing, and the the Gulf countries are all doing deals without the need for the agitation, the military-industrial complex. Um, and so I I think it's very very clear. Um, and and what is China? China is the access to rare earth minerals. There was the trade war could never have been won. You need those rare earth minerals. Those rare earth minerals are part of military, AI, robotics, everything. The big seven. Um, and what is Africa? Africa is China's territory now. It's the Gulf countries, the Gulf. So, so we have really transitioned to a multipolar world. Um and Saudi went from 100% petro dollar to 70% petro dollar and 30% petro yuan. Um and and now China's got you know they don't have their own oil and gas but they they bought the largest reserves and so they can control energy prices as well even though they don't produce them. So you you're quite right wherever energy goes the economy flows. >> It's the spice in the story. So, um, if if I could paraphrase though, it kind of sounds like this network has like a like locust coming in as a plague. It's kind of asset stripped everything it kind of can out of the US and the West generally, which I'll include Europe in that. Um, and so there's not there's not a lot of squeeze left here for not a lot of juice left in the squeeze, right? What are you going to do? Make Ford trucks 200,000? Make us pay $30,000 a month for, you know, health insurance or whatever the story? There's not a lot left that it's kind of squeezed out. Problem, you can't just put your McKenzie consultants and bankers into China. They get spotted pretty quickly. China has no need for that stuff. But they are the value ad manufacturing center in the Middle East is the last great source of of cheap energy that can be exported to the world. um that feels like a match made in heaven. But you can't sounds like what you're saying is this this network is trying to figure out how it sort of moves its locus to this next layer over here without losing control along the way. Um is that true? And B, what does losing control actually look like to somebody living in the west? >> Yeah, sure. So um I'll take the first question. So there's no comp competitor to America in the proof of weapons network as a sovereign state. Um you know you have uh the proof of weapons network across the financial industrial complex is managing about $30 trillion of assets. Like you know the Gulf countries collectively are managing $5 trillion of assets. Um and then you got China. You know China PPP is you know it already is a is is won the trade law. That's that's a done deal. Um but the the um nobody [clears throat] competes with you know America is still very strong. It's a regional power you know it's got a lot for it. Um but its influence cannot exert influence beyond the region now you know it can you can capture Latin and South America hence the Venezuela stuff you know you figure out is that China's is that ours and and you got a few little battles. So there was that Pakistan and India little tuffle. Um you know Pakistan is essentially historically a vassel for US and IMF but now China comes along with Belton Road and Pakistan sat in the middle. Are you are you China or are you America is kind of that battle and so the proof of weapons network is saying right where's our weak points? Who can we target to vasilize and infiltrate the regional powers? Firstly, the reason this is happening is because the American or proof of weapons network strategy or the military was always divide and conquer. That was always the strate domination through no competition. Uh that was always the strategy. Now what the world has figured out is they said right well you know alone and divided we're pretty Uh but unified as a regional block we're we're powerful. And so you had bricks um you had GCC the Gulf Cooperation Council. You had ASEAN uh which is the Southeast Asian and Asian Exporters driven countries. Um and then you had the SEO which is the Shanghai um corporation um organization. And so they organized into blocks and they started strategically deciding where is our strength. So in the Gulf countries they said Turkey, Egypt, you've got strong military but you're you're subordinate to NATO and IMF in case of Egypt. Um but together as the Gulf countries uh we can all partner with China and BRICS and so BRICS partnered with GCCO partnered with Azin and these regional blocks became a a real competing power with 75% of the world's GDP. And so I think the proof of weapons network said how which what's the weak points in each one? And so they looked at bricks and said India uh India has a neoliberal they're a rising power they have a population that can compete with China um we have a great you know we we we have you know many immigrants that are uh through um you know pushing money back into the country and they said we we can use the neoliberal strategy. So let's agitate you know let's agitate some covert operations between Pakistan and India and see how vasilized we can get them you know see how much deals we can get done and then they said what about the GCC well let's go for UAE they seem to be the most western aligned um and so recently you saw a big media blitz on Sudan um you know that's because that's a GCC territorial battle Saudi in Egypt are back in one side, UAE's back in the other. So why don't we put some media attention on UAE's role in the humanitarian crisis in Sudan? And so you see these games where they push out media narrative um in order to get deals on their terms. Now to me this is an acceleration of peace but under the financial industrial complex's terms. So I believe one by one many of the fake wars that were backed by western imperial interest or Russian um and different interests and China interests they're being resolved one by one but you're getting pushes of media narrative. To me that's a good sign. Uh but what they're doing is the financial industrial complex is trying to use the the media in order to get the best terms on their terms because they know that once you lock in regional peace, there's lots of money in in the rebuild. There's lots of money in rebuilding all the war zones. Um but they don't have control over China, which is bricks. They don't have control over Saudi, which is GCC. They don't have control over, you know, Singapore and various other things. We got some control, but they're sovereign wealth. They've got sovereign wealth and they don't have a western central bank. So, we can't financialize and securitize and acquire. And so, you got sovereign countries that don't have Western central banks have built sovereign wealth. They're negotiating with the financial industrial complex. And so they're saying, "What could we do? Why don't we try and get bricks to do a single currency and we can do what we did to Europe?" Oh, they didn't fall for that. They're all trading in their own currencies. Damn, that trick didn't work. Um, and that was Goldman Sachs's idea uh to do a single currency through bricks. Um, [clears throat] what what can we do? Well, um, you know, we have to accept let the only thing we can do is get everyone trading in their own currencies and then we'll start creating index funds in alternative currencies. We'll start creating a Bitcoin ETF. Uh, we'll start creating alternative gold products in alternative ETFs in alternative currencies. And so what you're what you're noticing is they're pumping the US stock market. um they're managing the transition. Many of the banks started buying the Bitcoin ETF. All the central banks started buying gold. Um and they're hedging by pricing products in alternative currencies so that when they want to manage the real transition, the Federal Reserve just switches policy from QE when they're ready. Um and so that's what I think that they're they're doing. And and again, it doesn't mean they succeed. These operations fail a lot of the time. People get knocked off the network. People don't succeed. It's a remember, it's not an organized cabal that rules the world. It's a decentralized network of power and wealth that also compete with each other. And uh and sometimes, for example, I believe what we're witnessing in Israel is you got Trump that represents the financial industrial complex, Netanyahu that represents the military-industrial complex. He wants the war to continue and get America into a war with Iran, but they're saying, "No, no, no. The goal is regional stability." And so, you're getting all of these negotiations and people that are saying, "Right, well, I'm going to privatize everything, but make sure I don't Netanyahu is saying make sure I don't go to prison." And so, Trump has to endorse. And then you get email leaks from the Epstein files, which is, "Everybody stay on track. you guys are going off track. Let's leak some information if you go off track. Um, you know, because I don't believe the the I don't believe that Trump has control over those files. We we know who's on those files because you can look at who settled JP Morgan, you know, the banksters, the industrial, the the donor class. It's not the celebrities. They had a lot of politicians in there because it was a black male network. Uh, but it's the donor class. And so you can see the proof of weapons network pushing out um you know the these different messages of remember everybody we're moving to multipolarity. Don't suddenly get patriotic. Uh remember what's happening here. We're moving to multiparity. Um and that's what I think they're engineering. >> So in that engineering sweep then I've had this sense that there's some sort of a ticking clock, right? Things are really speeding up. And my sense is hypothesis that they've really needed something like AI, a a system of total domination, the eye of Sauron, able to control everything, see every crevice of your life, tell you what to buy, what not to buy, when to travel 15 minutes or not. Just control freaks, right? But I feel like the they know that the other the old system has an expiry date and we need to get to this new system and it's going to be a digital system, right? Which is mostly digital prisons, I think, the way they're setting it up at this point. But um is that it it like here's my belief. I think they don't know what they don't know. I think they're very smart people. I don't believe they understand or appreciate complex systems. And that our economy, our vaulted economy, is really a very subtle set of nested complex systems where your behaviors and my behaviors feed off of each other in in emergent unpredictable ways. And you multiply that by a billion points of of interactions on a daily basis and that's the economy. I think they think they can control it. And as a scientist, you can't control complex systems. You can only nudge them and get sort of different but emergent behaviors you have to witness. I think they think they can lock this thing down and get what they want. Um, what do you think of that idea? >> Um, I agree. Um, and I think they have an exit strategy and a control strategy. And so the idea is let's control what we can control. But the minute this gets out of control, I know where I'm going to be. Everyone else can deal with it, you know. So that that's what I think we're I think we're witnessing right now. Um I do believe that across the West, the proof of weapons network is what I believe the power structure is as as best as I can understand it and articulate it. Um I do believe there are sovereign countries which they have to negotiate with. you can't control China, you know, you can't um you can influence through trade, but you can't you have to negotiate, you can't vilize. Um and and that's that's a friction. And that's why you've got the two in the AI battle. uh because the AI battle and the Middle East has just said we want to sit in between that and we want to provide the energy nuclear energy um and we'd like the data centers here please and we just want to sit between you in a tax neutral jurisdiction between China and you know between bricks and the regional west uh and you know the proof of weapons network and they they want to sit in the middle with those capital flows and so you do things like stable coins And um if you look at the west, the west is being split up into uh so the proof of weapons network wants private or public you know corporate control. That's what America is. So America is the host of uh subordinating all the governments to corporate control. But you want the governments underneath it to be just fully controlled by the European Central Bank, the Bank of England. And so what do you do in Europe? You do a central bank digital currency. In UK, you do a central bank digital currency. Um that requires civil unrest in order to scare people into signing on to a digital ID. And so you have to manufacture civil unrest in those in those areas. Um, in the end, we're going to do the same in America, but we're going to use a stable coin. Why a stable coin? A stable coin is a privatized version of a central bank digital currency. They don't want to hand over control to the government. They want governments to be vassels to corporates. And so everything goes up to those stable coins. And those stable coins are backed by fiscal dominance and the US debt. Um, and so that's their strategy of vasilizing the entire West into a stable coin so they can dump all of the US debt and the below market rate treasuries on the West. Uh, so they're the bag holders because the foreigners aren't buying them anymore. Um, in the meantime, that takes us into a world of uncertainty because this labor force isn't productive here. Uh we need to tell the Americans that we're building rebuilding our manufacturing base. Um we can push down rates by saying unemployment data means that we don't care about inflation because the Fed's called the twin mandate inflation and unemploy unemployment. Uh we can use employment as a mechanism for getting those rates down while the data look you know inflation is rampant but let's move it to structural manipulated 3% rather than 2%. Um you can get oil prices down to try and dampen some of that inflation but the only other way to get the deflationary impact is artificial intelligence and robotics. So that is the manufacturing base. Um if you look at all the layoffs they're saying um the recent you know spike 150,000 layoffs in October a million over the year um that I think they said that was the biggest since uh 1993 or something maybe 2003 sorry if I got that wrong um but a long time anyway um and they said the layoffs are coming the primary reason was firstly government so Doge um the government is essentially just a piggyback bank for the corporate interest, but they're laying off um and uh and providing all the data to AI. Of course, that's what Doge was, I think, in my opinion. Um it was a data collection exercise for Palunteer and uh Elon and the social credit score that X has become um and [clears throat] um uh yeah, push off and siphon off all of that data. And they said that most of the automation's happening in warehousing. Uh so that to me implies robotics is here. South Korea just announced that they're doing fully automated warehouses. Um and so robotics and AI is is the thing now that has vast unemployment. Where does that take us? I mean, who knows? Why don't we test a stable coin universal basic income? I know Trump says tariffs. Everyone can have a tariff dividend. Uh [clears throat] let's see if we can give everyone $2,000. that feels like incremental steps to a privatized universal basic income if they I mean it may not pass Congress. It could just be rhetoric, you know, you don't know with Trump. Um but you you can see where they're they're taking surveillance state there. Uh resetting the world order. Um but I'm sadly just think the West doesn't return from this. um you've got I would say I personally believe um that the tactics that the West used via the British and American Empire on Asia, on the Middle East, on the global south, on um Africa are being used and they're coming home. And so the colored revolutions, the civil unrest, the overthrow, the weaponization of religious tensions, racial tensions, I see all of that th those tactics that I saw around the world coming home. Um, and so the rich get richer, the poor get poorer. You end up on a universal basic income or you end up with all the assets. Um and the way to manage this is to in a fiscal dominance environment I believe is to own scarce assets um and the right stocks and so you either co-invest with Black Rockck um they manage your offshore exposure and most of the stock markets right now are outperforming the S&P. Um the S&P looks really strong but it's only because it's priced in a devaluing currency. If you price it in gold, um it's going down. Uh Bitcoin's had a bit of a hard time this year, but if you price it in Bitcoin, um it's, you know, it's in a bare market. Real estate stocks, all of them are in bare market in Bitcoin and gold. If you price it over, you know, the last decade or so. Um you need to own scarce assets to ride it. That's the gold story. Um, and I think real estate will be pumped. Obviously, that's a generalized statement. Location matters. You understand whatever. Um, or you own the stocks and get the exposure, you know, which is international. You got to see outside of America right now. And you're seeing that the stocks are just becoming the big 10 tech companies with some resources and everything else is struggling like mergers and acquisitions of the private sector. Businesses are going bankrupt. Uh mergers and acquisitions are go are rampant and through the roof. And now we've got a $5 trillion company called Nvidia. Why is that? It's because it's the AI data center. So the stock market is no longer a function of revenue, profits, earnings per share. It's a function of geopolitically strategic importance to the proof of weapons network. They'll never let Nvidia go because Nvidia is going to be building these data centers and giving us its leverage. When they're negotiating with the Gulf countries, they're negotiating with Nvidia. When they're negotiating with China, they're negotiating with semiconductor chips. Well, that's fascinating. You know, again, let me put my resource hat on for a second. Um, even the EIA in the United States, which is the Energy Information Agency under the DOE, has has said, "Look, um, the shale basins are about played out. They're going to start peaking now. By 2027, that's it. Off they go." Right? And that's it. That's the end of the shale story. You know, not and it doesn't run out, but I mean, it's not an engine of oil growth anymore. Similarly, um we have a lot of natural gas, but we are LNG terminaling it so fast. Plus the data centers, which by the way, nobody can give me an honest, accurate accounting at the national level of how many are actually going in. Even states don't know necessarily how many are going in, right? It's kind of vague, right? So, it's got this feeling to me like it's it's an existential emergency. I know them when I smell them, right? Suddenly, Bill Gates is no longer about climate change. he suddenly thinks maybe it's not as important as we thought because obviously he's going to make a lot of money off a data center so changes his tune. That kind of guy. So, but I watch them put these these data centers in with their horrific energy demands. And by the way, I think of them as giant toaster ovens that don't actually make toast, right? They take tasty molecules of natural gas and they turn it into waste heat and that's what they do. And cute pictures of cats, right? It's fine. [snorts] But I look at this and it's just such an it's such a pelmemell thing. I this is the easiest thing for me to see. We're sailing right into an energy crisis. It's already hit lots of households with doubling and even triplings of energy bills, electricity bills. And that's going to continue because it's the oldest supply demand price chart in the world. And again, I don't Simon, I don't get the sense that if somebody has a plan, man, they are keeping it hidden uh really well from me. >> Yeah. I mean um so you know China has been it's so again climate change narrative was more like a substitute okay we're going to hit peak energy and therefore we need to replace it with renewable energy um now I don't think it's a substitute anymore I think it's an addition you know it's every type of energy every way possible nuclear energy renewable energy LNG oil every energy the the demand for energy in every form uh goes through the roof roof because this is just an energy um guzzler and um I think the amount of investment I think in there's trillions of dollars in investment that needs to be placed um into uh all of these different forms of energy. Um nothing stops this train you know and uh and and that's where a lot of the fiscal dominance is going to happen. And um I just see everyone just there's energy for everything is where it goes. And how do you constrict people? Well, >> carbon credits, tokenize it, um make people compete in the market for their energy. >> And so that's part of the whole stable coin, social credit score, carbon credit score, you know, >> and that's the sad thing. the the the people don't matter in this plan. You know, the only the only countries that are saying, "Let's take our money and reinvest it in our people are the sovereign ones. It's the Gulf countries. It's the Chinese. It's the Russians." Um, America doesn't care about the Americans. The UK doesn't care about the Brits. The Europeans don't care about, you know, the EC, the European Union doesn't care about the Europeans. Uh, these are just assets. And so everything is about data centers, uh, water and energy, and we're going to AI, robotics, and nothing stops that train. I can't see anything that stops that train. Um, and I I I think, um, they're thinking about every form of energy in order to power this thing. Uh, and China's been China's been buying all the oil, all the gas, all the investment in renewable energy, all the nuclear programs. Um, and this is why Middle East needs regional stability. They're saying we can't mess around with wars anymore. We need this energy. >> Absolutely. So, let's talk about exit strategies then. So, we hinted at it before. Um, I had a two-part question. Part two was really like, well, what if they fumble the ball, right? And you said, well, they have their exit strategies. My exit strategy is I'm talking to you from my home studio and right outside these walls, I got cows, I got chickens, I got I got a spring, I've got I got like a little farm, right? It's a part of my strategy. I sit in gold. I sit in silver. I sit in hard assets. Um I'm clearly investing in this energy stuff that's coming forward. That's what I'm doing. But let's talk what what can what can people listening to this? They they see all this big stuff going on. Obviously, there's elephants dancing. We're all just mice in the field. What do the mice do? >> Yeah. I mean, um I think it moves back. So in the case of the west, if you're in America, um I believe it becomes all about community. Um I think what people need to do is pretend that the government's not going to look after you. >> Um there is no there is no healthare. Uh there is no you know anything. Um there is no universal basic income and start with that and say what am I going to do to look after myself? Mhm. >> Well, the first thing is, you know, it's interesting, right, across across America and the West, you you find all these little communities of cult leaders, and they seem to create these self um you know, uh pro, you know, neutral cults of people that all look after each other and look after the community. Why not do that without the cult? Does there need to be a cult leader? Uh why can't people just look after each other and bolt by and various other things? So, I think people need to get used to that if they're not wealthy already. I personally believe in the next 5 years we're going to have 200 years of change. Just imagine. I could be wrong, >> but I think there's 200 years of change. I think in 5 years, >> we probably don't recognize what what this AI experiment does. Uh I don't know. I really don't know. Um but I do know that I want to own my own assets, whether that be >> gold or personally I like Bitcoin because it's easier to self custody. it comes with a higher risk to gold. Um, and I think people just need to everything should be about thinking about how to be sovereign in every way possible. Um, and build your community, build your followers, build your little communities that you bought by, get to know if you if you don't know your neighbors, now is the time to build relationships with neighbors. Um, I don't think people should be living in cities in this transition. I think you should be thinking about, you know, the things that you've been talking about. >> Um, I think the cities are going to be the hardest hit. Um, and, uh, you know, right now you need to be, I mean, everyone's so deep in debt that this might just be silly advice, but the obvious advice, spend less than you earn, save the difference in a hot asset. Um, and that asset needs to outperform the proof of weapons network, and that's that's how you increase your wealth. uh because everyone else is um is either going to be looked after by the government or looked after by you working with your community. So the government may look after you, but I'd be preparing for how the community look after each other. Um and I I don't know I don't know what else to say, but I do believe that I I reckon you got 5 years to figure this stuff out because I don't know what the world looks like after 5 years. Um and that's what I think everyone needs to think about now. And and I could we could be exaggerating, we could be wrong, but if you prepare for the next 5 years as if I was if this was true, you'll be better prepared for whatever the next 10 years gives us, you know. So I I think we've just hit crunch point and I think the world can look around and they can see look we we're not the worst is not looking healthy like um everything is looking strange. We're treating each other. It's getting more and more populous. Um, people are talking about militias and revolutions and revolution is part of their plan, by the way. That's how you get the surveillance state, but they don't care if you have a revolution. That's okay. They figured out what they do with a revolution. Um, and that you need to build your wealth. You need to build your community. And I do leave with there is a greater power structure. this artificial intelligence may be the very same the very same thing that messes them up as well. We don't know. Um but I have a spiritual belief that there is a higher higher power which is God and God has a plan and um you know we need to figure out what that means in terms of our connection. I'm not here to preach you. It comes in all sorts of different forms spiritual different religions. Um but you know there is a greater power and this network is very evil and I do believe that um God has a plan for evil and um I don't think evil prevails you [laughter] know so do with that as you would your spiritual connection your community connection um and build your build your wealth um in neutral assets. Perfectly said. I honestly couldn't have said it better myself and I've been studying this for decades. Um that's right where I came to as well. And all the way down to this idea that um evil has exposed itself. And once I saw it, I couldn't unsee it. And it's just there. It's a force. And um history, if you get your history from the Bible, says we've been here before. This is a great pendulum of humanity. We lose the plot from time to time. And obviously, a country that's allowed itself to slip to a point where one in 30 children is developing autism when it can't protect its own children has entirely lost the plot. right? As one one indicator, right? I have many indicators, but just to say fractally speaking, I don't need more than that one indicator to say lost the plot. Um, and we know what happens next in that story. It's been termed wrath in the past. Um, and sometimes that wrath is just the outcome of making really bad decisions. Um, and sometimes it might be something more divine. I don't know. But I think it does get hard for a while. So I would echo that that that everybody should be thinking about becoming more resilient and that's emotionally, spiritually, financially. You want to have skills, right? Absolutely. Um you want to have obviously assets. A lot of people, Simon, I say prepare and they think bullets, beans, and bunkers, right? That's fine, but that's just one component. That's material wealth. There's all these other forms of wealth you really should be building up right now. Chief among those is your emotional resilience, which begins with me not allowing these stupid AI algorithms to control my emotional state and to feed me all that propaganda you've been talking about. It's really important. Keep an equal calm head. >> Yeah, I agree. Um, the algorithm that you're being fed right now is designed to make you hate people. Um, you know, depending on which side of the algorithm is, you either hate Muslims, you hate Jews. Um, you hate Democrats, you hate Republicans. Like, I understand who you >> Yeah. You know, you're a white nationalist. You, it's the immigrants, it's the blacks, it's whatever. Um, your algorithm is feeding you the content to push your hatred. That is very, very deliberate. You got to become very conscious of that because that is a psychological operation um that is happening. Um, and I really love um your uh that you said children um because I completely agree with that. I I feel like if there's one thing that we universally agree on that we should be protecting our children like you know whatever color or religion that child is, we inherently understand that that is an innocent to be protected to be nurtured. And when we're using children and there is sexual pedophilia rings, there is children being blown up in wars, um there is, you know, the the weaponization of children and we're not even having children, you know, there's some, you know, there's something wrong. Um, and uh, I think that's a really like good way of saying no, this this doesn't last cuz uh, I think the if we've lost the ability to protect and have children, um, then we've we've gone off the we've gone off the plot, then we need to return to that. How do we look after our children, whether whatever religion, race, or creed they may be? You know, we can all agree we should be we should be protecting our innocent children. Um and uh if we're not doing that, we need to figure out how to do that again. >> Well, absolutely. And when we do discover that say people at the FDA or CDC had purposely hidden harmful trial results uh so that they could continue to do whatever, sell more whatever for pharma. I honestly think those people need to um be held to account in the highest possible way and we need to have real consequences. So, if I was going to run for president, I' I'd have one plank and everybody could try and ask me anything they want about anything and I'd come right back to my plank, which is consequences. They're not just for little people anymore, you know? That would be the whole thing. [laughter] >> I agree. And we're um we're poisoning our children. We're injecting our children. Like, there's >> there's something up here. Um you know, we need to remind oursel what we were brought on this earth to do and it's not what we're currently doing. >> Correct. Well, Simon, what an amazing conversation and I obviously we could go a lot longer, but I'm going to call it there. Uh, where can people find you and follow your work? >> Um, so I'm very active on X. Um, so you can follow me at Simon Dixon Twitter, TWWIT, when it from when it was Twitter. Um, I go live on YouTube. Just look up my name and I, uh, have a weekly show called Bitcoin Hard Talk. It says Bitcoin because that's where I came from. Uh, but what I do is I go through following the money in Bitcoin and crypto and tech. Um, I do this week in macro and I do this week in geopolitics. So, in order to make sure I'm staying up to date with everything that's happening every week, I have to report it to everyone on a Friday. So, I do these marathon shows every Friday mainly to keep myself up to date by and you can benefit from me following the money. Um, and then I publish everything on my blog, simonixon.com. I'm very fortunate that I've managed to exit my business. Um, Bitcoin gave me a level of financial independence I never thought was possible. Um, and so I'm kind of in that stage of life of where I like to give back with no sponsorship, no monetization. Um, and I'm just trying to build a community of people that uh are going to be able to look after each other a bit better. >> Oh, that that's absolutely wonderful. And it's very clear. It's obvious that that you have no financial conflicts of interest. You're willing to um say what sounds to me like the truth, right? Which is just here's here are the facts. Here's how the pattern fits [music] and um you don't have to worry about sponsors yelling at you. So that sort of comes through loud and clear. So thank you so much for doing that. Thank you for your time today and and I wish you all the best and let's stay in contact. >> Yeah, absolutely. Um Chris, I really enjoyed the conversation. Really appreciate your work. I think you're doing very valuable thing and educating people on how to navigate this um [music] I think is what we should be doing. So I'd love to come back at any time and uh appreciate you having me. Thank you Chris.
Simon Dixon: Our Money System Is A Ponzi Scheme
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Nothing in this program should be considered investment advice. It is for educational purposes only. Please hit pause and read this disclaimer in full. What is your job, Trump? It is to reset the world order through tariffs, move us to multiparity. Uh pump as much money into the stock market and we'll hedge our bets. Um [music] and uh the the economy doesn't matter. The stock market does. Ladies and gentlemen, as always, today we are going to start with the big picture. We're going to dial all the way out and then move back into the center. And today we're talking with a true visionary who is charting an escape route via Bitcoin and decentralized finance. Today's guest is Simon Dixs and I've been looking forward to this podcast for a very long time. He is the CEO and co-founder of Bank to the Future, revolutionary investment platform that's funneled an enormous amount of capital into fintech and crypto ventures since 2011. That puts it in context. He is the author of the groundbreaking 2012 book Bank to the Future, the very first to champion Bitcoin as a bull work against fiscal meltdowns. and he's an ex-banker, has launched Bitcoin capital funds, rallied millions through crowdfunding for cuttingedge firms, emerged as a leading crusader against the rigged legacy system. You know, I'm all about that. And Simon is going to connect some big dots for us today. Help explain his proof of weapons network concept. All so we can begin to figure out how the world actually works, which enables us hopefully to make better decisions with our own lives. Welcome to FinanceU. I'm your host, Chris Martinson. Simon, welcome to the program. >> Thank you so much for having me, Chris. >> Yeah, real pleasure. So, uh, to begin, um, your background, I mean, most of my audience will know you from Twitter or Bitcoin circles, but many might be new to you as well. Can you a two-minute version, you know, why did a successful London investment banker walk away in 2006, predict the 2008 crisis, become one of the earliest Bitcoin advocates? Tell us, take us through that arc if you could. Yeah, sure. I guess my my journey in finance began 25 years ago. Uh my father lost all of his money in the dotcom boom and bust. So, you know, he went from taking his entire life to make a million pounds uh to losing it all in the dotcom boom and bust. And um he didn't ever understand what happened to his money. So, he asked me one day, "Son, I don't know where that money went. Who ended up with that money?" And I got obsessed with that question. Um so kind of went down the conventional route like studied economics um you know did financial qualifications to try and find out how to give financial advisory um work and then um you know ended up as a tea boy at a stock broker and then got myself um you know into the city of London started as a a market maker on the London Stock Exchange um and then really wanted to understand a bit more about the business side. So uh my last corporate job was in corporate finance um and on the side I was just really studying monetary reform read um you know books on how money really works and realized that I'm just a cog in a wheel but no one really fully understands the whole system um and so I decided that I would throw in the corporate towel in 2006 um and sent about giving lectures on uh monetary reform um and once I realized what the banking system, you know, how it actually works. Um, decided that I'd attempt to create um, a non-fractional reserve bank to kind of demonstrate how a sustainable bank might work. Um, hit many, many challenges um, and realized that it wasn't actually possible. Um, if you want to engage in banking, you have to create digital currency every time you issue a loan. And if you wanted to do full reserves, you have to build it on top of somebody else's bank. So you do full reserve but they do fractional reserves. And so uh uh you know after failing at trying to create a bank um ended up uh being invited to the first Bitcoin conference which was in Prague when uh Bitcoin had crashed from $30 to $3. Um and uh the realized that the only way to build outside the system um was to actually build on top of an alternative currency. So at that moment um invested in Bitcoin at $3 and uh uh started when Bitcoin did really well, I started supporting other companies that can raise finance and ended up investing in about 100 different companies that became multi-billion dollar unicorns now like Coinbase, Kraken, Circle, Bitstamp, Bitfinex, and uh many others. Um, and just been on a a 15 15 year journey of seeing Bitcoin come from an activist movement of us versus the banks with a few crazy people in the room um to actually a $2.3 trillion market cap with the largest uh financial institutions in the world deciding that they need to um embrace this sector. And so now uh I'm kind of at the stage where I'm trying to educate people. You know, Bitcoin treated me very well. So I just spend my time educating people on the original mission of what we set out to achieve because now Wall Street uh wants to control Bitcoin as much as possible. So uh trying to help people understand how to be sovereign outside the system um and recognize some of the the future trends now that we're moving to this world of Bitcoin, artificial intelligence, central bank digital currencies and you know an Orwellian programmable nightmare. Uh so that's my that's my journey and it brings me to where we are now. >> Fantastic summary by the way. Very similar journeys for us except I didn't um get into Bitcoin when I probably should have obviously. So um but it was uh I was working in corporate finance for a while then I was a a consultant and then you know I lost all this I didn't lose a million pounds but I got um a big haircut in in the dot bust. So it got me curious and I started looking around and I remember clearly what happened to me. It was 2004. before I read Creature from Jackal Island and I said, "Whoa, oh, hold up. I've got a PhD. I've got an MBA. Nobody ever taught me that. Like, this is is this how money is made?" So, I had to go out and prove it wrong. And of course, it's all right. Um the banking system just makes money out of thin air. And it hop skip and a jump. But it led me to conclude that, oh, this is a really elegant form of slavery when you look at it in a certain way where somebody controls your life force with very little energy expended on their side, right, for the effort. Maybe that's a skip too far for a lot of folks, but you spend enough time in there, you go, "Hey, wait a minute. [laughter] This is a scam, isn't it?" Well, not only is it a scam, but it's a very well-crafted and engineered Ponzi scheme. You know, every single fiat currency is created as a credit by a bank. Uh, you know, the bank creates money every time they issue a loan. Um, and then they charge interest on that loan. Now, when you go out into put it right back down into if you create $1,000 by issuing a loan, um, somebody has to pay a 10% interest and repay $1,100. Uh, where is the $100? Well, it needs to be created into existence by somebody else borrowing it. And so, you end up, if you look at the the British Empire, you know, you started when the Bank of England was around, we need some money for war. uh the Bank of England was created. An elaborate accounting scheme that allowed for this double entry um bookkeeping was created in order to get the government into debt. So the Bank of England got to create uh you know got to create the the pound. Uh the government got to borrow it. They got the the the war machine. Um and then right up until you know the the the First World War uh the British government were bankrupted. So, you know, the experiment was repeated again with a couple of central banks in America. Then finally, they got the Federal Reserve. Um, and now the Federal Reserve has taken the American government via a military-industrial complex from virtually no debt to $38 trillion. And that's by design. Um, you know, the the the central banking system is the privatization of a fiat currency um that where there's not enough interest to repay the debt. And so therefore, the only thing that keeps the engine alive is refinancing the debt, whether that's an individual, a corporate debt. Um, and then you get crony capitalism to get the cheap rates while the average person pays payday loans and credit cards. Um, you know, 30 40% interest. And, uh, uh, the corporate that has access, uh, can get 0%. U, um, through quantitative easing or whatever it may be. Um and obviously um get the government into debt and then use the global finance system to get every government into debt um until they keep buying the last treasury until no one will buy a treasury and then the system just goes uh and repeats itself in the next world order. >> Well, this is brilliant. So I want to this is cutting to the chase of a lot of my life's work as well, which is this idea that let me leave aside the moral dimension of how I think of fiat money. It has a math problem baked into it which is in that interest component you mentioned that little hitch step. It's just a feature of the system, not a bug, a feature. It's going to constantly be growing exponentially, right? Because we're compounding interest on top of interest and if it doesn't get more credit in enough to satisfy the prior interest, the whole thing goes kaput. So since 1971 when we banned the gold standard, we've been compounding our debts in the United States, not just federal, but across the whole system. at about 9% a year and our economy is growing at 3% a year. We have a math problem. We are the claims, all that debt is now spiking and it's piling up. And I think this is not wonky. This is perfect setup for understanding why I think we're going to a new system of world control or organization cuz this old model, you don't have to be a math genius. It's got a math flaw and it's going to break sooner or later. >> Yeah, you got it exactly right. Those are the key things. If you take the growth rate and you take the average interest rate, um, and as long as that growth rate is outperforming that average interest rate, then you can keep the Ponzi going. Uh, but when the average interest rate is above the growth rate, you have a problem. Um, and so now we've hit a stage where we're at the end of what I consider to be the US debt cycle. Um, and because the economy is so K-shaped as we as as the term comes where the rich are getting richer, the poor are getting poorer, there are those that have access are on the right side of the debt. It's their asset and there are those where they are the assets because they're in debt. Um and so uh you you you know you have this system now where uh people are so indebted that you've hit um you know wealth inequality is causing psychological issues. It's causing suicide rates. It's causing low birth rates because people can't afford. Um it's causing mental issues, drug addictions, homelessness. Um it's causing extreme, you know, populism. um those that feel shafted by the system are going more and more extreme to the left and looking for the government to resolve their issue and those that are benefiting from the system are hedging their bets leaving and deciding what they're going to do with their assets. So then eventually you end up with only the most unproductive um and you cannot outgrow you cannot use any productivity in that type of environment to outpace the interest at which point you get radical things being done with monetary policy. Um and uh that's where I think we are right now. >> So so to get to this then I I agree with all of that and I think that we're a couple of smart guys but there's a lot of smart people in the government. They know this. They must know this. They must know that the system has an expiry date upon it and it's not that far in the future. It's not a hundred years from now. It's somewhere out there. So, I I think this is important to understand because um obviously they're not going to just sail into a giant, you know, deflationary Ponzi scheme collapse without a plan. And I think the plan is all the stuff we're detecting. But let me dial back to that. Do you believe that that we're the only two people out there who can see this? Or do you think there are people within the within the financial universe who see this too? >> Uh absolutely they know exactly what's happening. Um so this is inevitable, predictable, guaranteed. Um but it is hidden behind layers and layers and layers of complexity where many many different institutions are cogs in the wheel. Um but you know it's uh it's and I think it's really important. I think this is one thing that not many people see. Um, and uh, you talked about a con a phrase that I coined called proof of weapons. It's a it's a strange phase phrase, but it comes from Bitcoin cuz well, Bitcoin's backed by energy and they call it proof of work. So, it's a decentralized supercomput that powers the network that um, enforces this fixed supply and the ability for you to own your own money without a bank and send it, you know, without government permission. Um and so they came up with this phrase, you know, Satoshi used this phrase or hit him this phrase proof of work. Um I describe fiat currency as proof of weapons. Um and the reason is is because most people think of a government as too big and the ultimate power structure. Um I argue that the government is 100% subordinate to a private corporate structure. Um and it consists of several players. Um, at the root of it, it is a central bank, but underneath the central bank are the shareholders. And in the case of the Federal Reserve, you've got the 12 regional banks, and underneath that, you have all the clearing banks. And so, the Federal Reserve is owned by the private banks that get to create the dollar. Um, and then through this uh this, you know, this this ability to create the dollar, you have the ability to determine where capital gets allocated. And so banks favorite asset is obviously a mortgage. Uh they get they like to create money through a mortgage. Uh which is why real estate prices always go up. Uh because as long as you can create money to issue a mortgage and you can further duration um which is what they're doing at the moment. Uh then you get to create dollars and you receive interest on those dollars and when there's a crisis you can get the government to bail you out. How do you control the government? Well, you allocate lobby finance and so the government is for sale. Um, if you want to buy Congress, if you want to buy Senate, then there is a budget for every member of Senate and every member of Congress. Um, and it's called lobby. And so the banking lobby is a large lobby. Um, and you have all these different types of weapons um of different sectors. Um, but at the ultimate top of the structure, you have what I call people are familiar with the word military-industrial complex. I call it a financial industrial complex. You have the the retail commercial banks that get to create a fiat currency every time they issue a loan in a debt based Ponzi. Uh then they can go to the investment banks which get to create securitize, financialize, um even now tokenize, but they get to turn the assets into products. Um they also have the ability to issue through the bond market, roll over the debt um through purchasing bonds with money they create out of nothing. Um and uh then you have uh at the top of that you have the asset managers and the asset managers basically created these different types of schemes where you would give all your pension money every month, all of your insurance premiums every month, um all of your student loans through endowments, all of your credit card financing, and they would use the investment bank to structure them into mortgage back securities, you know, all these different types of products. Um and uh then you would have the ability to control and influence every stock uh by taking all of these passive investments. Um people can't be bothered to find the complexity of how to invest in a few companies. So they invest in the S&P 500. Uh that gives those that are managing these S&P 500 index funds a lot of power. Um and it's the asset managers that are that are getting all of these flows and passively investing them. Um so now you have the asset management industry. Now when you use these investment banks, they also create tools to control prices. That's the derivatives market. And so by creating auctions, futures and various other financial weapons of mass destruction, uh they have the ability to use that vast capital um utilize it via a network of hedge funds um in the asset management industry and do all sorts of elaborate things to manipulate prices. Um and uh this is the financial industrial complex. Now if you use those derivatives to send companies bankrupt if you want um you can then acquire them on the cheap through the private equity industry. Uh you then have a venture capital industry which takes all the entrepreneurs and primes them for becoming public companies through the investment banks. And so through this very, you know, what quote unquote seems like a capitalist system, um, you've essentially created an entire financial industrial complex that allows for any company to be subordinate to that network. uh because you know what you end up doing take a very successful company for example like Tesla you know um if you want to control Elon Musk um you have the ability to pump all those passive index funds into Tesla by allowing them to get a credit rating and on the S&P included in the index um you also have um some of the more the most successful money managers like BlackRock um they have technology like Aladdin where uh basically all of the different money managers uses their data and so by controlling those datas you get to allocate capital flows with all of these different money managers. Now the interesting thing is when you look at what technology do the Treasury use when they're allocating things like stimulus checks and quantity you know and various other um checks. Well they use Black Rockck's technology. Then you look at what does the Federal Reserve use? Uh well the Federal Reserve uses Black Rockck's technology in much of their monetary policy. So now you've got an asset manager that has access to all the voting rights on all the shares. Um, all of these different banks and institutions, the financial industrial complex are all public companies. And so, Black Rockck via your pension gets a board seat on all the companies. Uh, gets passive flows to be the largest shareholders. So, they can influence vote and via their network of investment banks and, uh, they get to decide whether you get access to capital. And so if you comply with the network, you get access to capital, you get preferential treatment. So if Elon Musk decides to comply with the network, he can take his Tesla stock, borrow against it, uh, and now Elon Musk is subordinate to the network. If they want to ruin his net worth, they can knock him off the network by using some derivatives to manipulate the share price, which should then knock him off the S&P 500. So they don't get access to index. They don't get access to the money printing because the the fiscal policy and monetary policy is being managed via the same network. Um, and you can essentially create a subordinate power structure. And so when you look at what are the most important companies, well, you have a military-industrial complex, which is all the military companies. They're all public. They're all subordinate to the same structure. They get access to all the Pentagon budgets. So the government can print a trillion dollars, allocate it to military companies, they have access to intelligence agencies, what we would call the deep state. And so they're subordinate to this structure as well. uh because you know you've got the ability to um access these capital flows. What about all the big tech companies? You know, you'd think that Nvidia is on top of the world right now and Apple and Google and uh Palender. Uh actually they're all subordinate to the same structure because their share price to get access to all of this money printing capital flows is nothing to do with earnings per share or anything like that. It's access to Pentagon budgets, it's access to money printing, it's access to hiding information via Pratz and media which is also controlled by the same network. Um, and so now you can actually even control the algorithms of you know uh Tik Tok uh X uh all of these different technical industrial complex. And so all this to say is what is the proof of weapons network? Well, it weaponizes technology, finance, military, deep state intelligence, media, um, under a structure of a network that lobbies the government, controls Treasury, um, and also provides the technology to Fed. And who are the Fed? Monetary policy. Who owns monetary policy? The banks. And so really what looks like capitalism is actually a privatized unaccountable structure. And then it even goes a little bit deeper because we've started to see all these blackmail networks, you know, the Epstein, the BDIS, um these, let's put them under the deep state. They're connected to intelligence. And so you can bribe judicial. And so Congress, Senate, judicial, monetary policy, fiscal policy, every single company, 20,000 companies, access to capital. Um, you essentially are a power structure uh that that you just utilize the government as a piggy bank. The government's job is to create 38 trillion dollars of debt. Uh, and then eventually the dollar is no longer useful to this network. And so you can change capital flows into different countries, different currencies, and rebuild the financial industrial complex outside of the dollar system. Um, and so that's what I I think people need to understand that governments are not in charge. Governments are subordinate. So when I look at Trump, I don't see Trump's tariff policy. I see Black Rockck's tariff policy. I don't see negotiations uh between countries. I see countries negotiating with Black Rockck's portfolio companies. You know, where Nvidia is going to get a new contract. Today, as we record, NBS is visiting the White House. They're renegotiating the pro dollar. And who's on top of those negotiations? It's the financial industrial complex that's co-investing with the Gulf sovereign wealth. and Trump is an administrator to fulfill those negotiations and then just put narrative on top. This is to make America great again. 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So, fast forward, I I've been a longtime silver investor and I've watched them do apply this network in this little tiny market. Silver's chump change, 38 billion total market cap. Like this little thing, doesn't matter. They come in and they wang it around with derivatives and they abuse it and they do all this stuff. And fast forward, here we are, six years in a row now, we've had structural deficits where we're not getting as much silver out as we're using because price, supply, demand. It's a simple economic chart. price is too low to create more supply and demand is now about to move price. At any rate, point is is that this system was optimizing for raping the silver market over and over again for money, but it wasn't looking for the longer term, saying, "Hey, is this the right thing to do? Is this serve our longer term interests?" Or there could be, let's say, second order consequences to that. that is anybody in this system overseeing any of this or is this just one big sort of like Borg that people have plugged their money conger into and and it really doesn't have a driver. >> Yeah, I'd say um at the top of the power structure people people like to think it's like an organized cabal of um and come up with conspiracy theories. Um I think it's less sophisticated than that. Um I think it's actually just reached this stage where the more assets you can manage the more power you have in the network. Um and so you know if you it's determined by private wealth, it's determined by institutional wealth management. Um it's determined by asset management and it's determined by the ability to create the dollar and to create the stocks and bonds. And so you can you imagine a power a power struggle of you've got a farce at the bottom which is the government. You know people think they vote you know the the network decides who the president is and right >> and they they have full ability to do that and if you go against that grain you can either be you know knocked down with a weapon you can either be bribed, blackmailed or assassinated at the extreme. Um, and they have the ability to do all of the above. Um, and so there is no power structure that's taking on this system because the system's too big. Um, but who is at the very top of that structure? Um, well, it's just determined by assets under management really. Um, and it used to be private banking families. You know, way back in the day, you'd have very organized private wealth. And for example, when the Federal Reserve was created, you know, the governor was one of the Warbergs. Uh the Warbergs were also one of the brothers. One was a governor of the Federal Reserve. The other was a governor of the Rice Bank and the Rice Bank was connected to later the bank for international settlements and they funded, you know, the Nazi Germany. Um through this network, Wall Street also funded the Bolevik Revolution and the overthrow of the Russians SAR and replaced it with the Soviet Union. So the same families originally were funding fake capitalism with the Federal Reserve, fascism with Nazi Germany and communism and the so you know through the Soviet Union. And so they hedge every position and they would whichever ideology maintains it's still the same finance houses but over time they became public and so as they became public they they put everything for sale and so right now if for example you want to gain influence and control over the entire west the west because it is now fully financialized securitized and you can buy polic politicians. All you need to do is get a stake in BlackRock. And so obviously me and you, Joe Schmo, we could invest in BlackRock. Uh but if you end up with significant wealth, so maybe you're China, you got a manufacturing base, you've got trillions of dollars of reserves, you're you're running a trade surplus. America's running a trade deficit. And the trade deficit country, the biggest export of America is the dollar, the debt. The dollar is debt. And so America needs to export the dollar, i.e. export debt. You create wars in order to do that. Uh that's you know the covert operations. Whereas China's got a manufacturing base. America was built on a military-industrial complex manufacturing base. But over time it sold it. It financialized it. It securitized it. Um, and so China ended up with the cheap labor and building that manufacturing base. So if you're got surplus and you got sovereign wealth, which some countries do, some in Europe like Norway have it. Um, you've got the Gulf countries, the Qataris, the uh, Emiratis, the um the the Saudis um, and various others. And you got China. Um so if you want to buy America and influence over America you just buy Black Rockck State Street and Vanguard. Now Vanguard is private. Um but uh if you look at the largest shareholder and uh you think about this um the largest shareholder in Black Rockck it is actually the Q80 sovereign wealth fund. And so you can influence the entire geopolitics and and uh through buying Black Rockck. Now, what is Black Rockck? Originally, you could have thought of the military-industrial complex was nationalistic. It was aligned with America. You know, there was an old phrase, what's good for General Motors is good for America. But these are now global institutions. And so, when they're analyzing their spreadsheets, they're just looking at not nationalistic America first, European first, UK first. They're thinking about how do I maximize profits? How do I hedge? And how do I profit from any scenario? And so you can profit from creating a war, hedge if it goes wrong, profit from reconstruction contracts, build the financial weapons of mass destruction to subordinate countries. Um, and this is what they do. Their goal is to turn everything into an asset and own the asset. And so you can influence wealth. And so that's why I believe we're moving to a multipolar world because Black Rockck is essentially co-investing with the Gulf States in every deal and all the money from the Gulf States is coming from China's manufacturing who's buying the oil off the Gulf States. So then if Saudi for example says, well the last 60 years were about the petro dollar, but America is now competing with us. They're energy independent. They're an exporter of oil and gas. Um, what are we going to do? Who's giving us all our money now? It's China. So, China's our customer. And what are we going to do with our excess money? Well, we're going to buy America. We're going to buy Open AI. We're going to buy Black Rockck shares. We're going to buy all of the artificial intelligence. And then we're going to use our influence to be able to negotiate nuclear energy data centers artificial intelligence. Um, and we want that in the Middle East. We'll be better at that. And and so now the chess board can be reset. We're no longer subordinate to America. It's going through decolonization process. The important customer is China. And so you you that's where we are today. And so the whole point here is that you kind of look at China defended against with capital controls and having never having a corporate structure that could go above the government. So they they've protected themselves from that. But America is now controlled by that structure and that structure is hosted in America with no America first agenda. So they don't care um what happens to America as long as they have the capital markets. And so now you've got this divergence. The economy is going to The stock market's doing really well. And the government is doing fiscal dominance. It's printing printing printing printing printing to prop up the stock market. And that really summarizes where we are. And the Trump administration has a job. What is your job, Trump? It is to reset the world order through tariffs, move us to multipolarity, uh pump as much money into the stock market, and we'll hedge our bets. Um and uh the the economy doesn't matter, the stock market does. >> So then this is really a system of control. And so control is shifting. The baton, the multipolar world is is fancy way of saying, okay, it's not just United States anymore. Um I got a host of questions around that. The first would be um I sort of have the impression that that maybe Putin wasn't was a little bit of a thorn in the side of that model for two reasons. First, when he took over, he kicked all the billionaires out, right? The oligarchs we call them. Sorry, oligarchs. You have to use the correct politically correct US term. We're we have billionaires, they have oligarchs, right? So, he kicked them out and cuz he said I think he s got them to the table and said, "We can play do this easy way, hard way. I'd rather do it the easy way." They said, "Nah, we we think we can crush you." They lost. And then I've heard recently like the EU leadership, odious as it is, like Kala saying, "Oh, it's our goal to sort of split Russia up into a bunch of states and, you know, basically harvest their resources." It it it feels to me like Putin's not playing their game. And that's explains the the deep hatred because it's not the hatred of actual people. It's what this this network you're talking about has decided this guy isn't we he's he's not doing how how we want him to do it, so we're going to make people hate him. you know, that's kind of how it's felt to me. >> Um, I'd agree with that. And, uh, drawing into that, digging into that a little bit, um, the first thing to realize is that there is no such thing as media or reporting. Um, there's only propaganda. And so, um, whenever you read media, for example, if I read the Financial Times, I don't see an accurate assessment of reality. I say this is what the proof of weapons the financial industrial complex wants you to do with your money. And so through articles they push out narratives and then it goes through alternative media and traditional media and and then that reallocates capital flows you know um if you're watching Al Jazzer that's what QA wants you to believe. If you're watching if you're reading Axius that's what Israel wants you to believe. if you're watching Fox, you know, and CNN, that's what both sides of the Uni Party want you to believe through two different narratives. Um, and so there is no such thing as journalism. There is just propaganda. And what we found out, for example, when Elon came on came in with the Department of Government Efficiency, um, there was a lot that that AI revealed that probably wasn't meant to come out. Um, I'm not sure whether it was or maybe it strategically wasn't meant to come out because maybe they're weakening the dollar. And what all I see right now is operations to make it where you don't want to invest in America anymore and weaken the dollar. You know, that's what everything's, you know, Trump is an agent of chaos and I believe he works for the banks and the financial industrial complex. Um but anyway um you know you could see that USAID um was funding into the BBC and Ukrainian media in order to push out a narrative and the narrative was Putin is Hitler. Uh whether you like him or not, that's not what I'm saying. I'm just saying how things are. Um what did Putin do? You quite rightly articulated that we had the fall of the Soviet Union. uh we then had the neoliberal installation of western central banks, western debt uh markets um and those that were connected in the Soviet Union system became the oligarchs um and so they was you know Putin came along and said no we're going to nationalize our resources make it where people don't have to pay as much tax by having a national oil um we'll still have our military-industrial complex. Um, but anyone that's trying to take our strategic resources and financialize them and put them into the West um, you know, and those oligarchs that are facilitating that, he arrested them, chugged them out, and wouldn't allow for that agenda. He had a a nationalistic identity. And so the media machine then says, "Right, you are Hitler. Um, and let's make you Hitler." Um now what's interesting is when when I look at you know you obviously have right we are defending democracy what does defending democracy mean? >> Yeah >> it means you have a narrative that justifies the money that is being printed through the Federal Reserve to go back into the military military-industrial complex. Now, if you want the Bank of England to print money and the ECB to print money, uh, then you use NATO. And so through the deep state, you have the military companies that need the money. They want you to print ECB. They want those euros to come back into the US stock market. Um, and what is the benefit of this? Well, you can subordinate Europe to the proof of weapons network. So it's not America, it's America is the host country for the network. So the financial industrial complex uses the military-industrial complex in order to agitate wars. Um uses its intelligence in order to overthrow government. So it installed, you know, did a colored revolution in Ukraine in 2014. Mhm. >> And it then did another series of operations later to blow up Nordstream pipeline, switch off the gas to Germany. Now what was the European Union? Well, it was a project from the Bank for International Settlements to subordinate through one single currency um all of Europe. And so if you can get all of Europe to go onto one currency, then you can control that currency. And so they created the European Central Bank and the European Union. Now you have European Central Bank as a piggy bank to the network. Um and so essentially what did they do? Well, what is Europe? Europe is big Germany. You know, Germany was the military-industrial complex of the Nazi regime. um that then installed a western German central bank that then facilitated the transition to the European Central Bank via the bank for international settlements. Um and so you have um Germany which had a manufacturing base. It requires cheap gas um and in order to facilitate that and that was really the backbone of Europe. everything else went into it was like big Germany um you know um and that was really important um for holding up Europe. So if Black Rockck comes along and says let's radicalize the world and and by the way when I say things like this I don't mean it's not true like I don't know what your opinion is on climate change. Um but you can radicalize people if it's true or if it's not. You can either have a covert operation to push research out into the universities and then indoctrinate through you know publishing different papers or it could be true and you utilize it and weaponize it and both happen. So climate change radicalized people into getting a trillion dollars of European Central Bank and Bank of England money. um switching off nuclear energy, uh losing access to the gas through sanctions, um and at the same time getting them to invest trillions into uh renewable energy projects that were only ever going to succeed in China, [laughter] you know, but Black Rockck got all of that money in their portfolio companies. And so through the war through agitating a war in Ukraine with Russia um and implementing sanctions from Europe and America um the proof of weapons networks subordinated and destroyed Europe and now the private equity companies are buying it all up on the jeep. You know they're getting all their rare earth deals via Trump. uh they're getting a a NATO narrative of hey why don't you take 5% of your budget and put it into US stocks which is you know the military-industrial complex uh we'll install Kestarma Macron Money in Canada you know these are all the chosen leaders of the proof of weapons network and all you know and all Kosama's job is to do is you become a battering ram for the public but create narrative of why you can send all this money to Ukraine and then it comes back into purchasing weapons and there's a bunch of deep state you know corrupt operations in the middle that siphon off much of the money but the west just becomes a narrative for justifying what's actually happening and the reality is um when I look at Ukraine right now um you know Russia went from 22 2% debt to GDP to a 9% debt to GDP in this time. Um the narrative is that they're about to the economy is about to collapse. they're propped up by the relationship with China and uh they've created you know this bricks corridor that you can't defeat and um and so really Ukraine's over sadly and uh this proof of weapons network via the deep state and the military-industrial complex installed Zalinski and Zilinski is sacrificing to the last Ukrainian. Um Ukraine's over like Russia's going to own it. There's no way out of that. And uh Black Rockck is using the UK economy to collateralize the debt via the IMF to push Bank of England, ECB, and Fed money into the network to prop up the price of those dogs and they're essentially getting the assets the the whole of Ukraine is going to be owned by Russia and Black Rockck. That's the end result. And so when you when Europe sanctions Russia, uh when America sanctions Russia, they're sanctioning Europe because Europe is the vassal state. the the in and and they're even I believe manufacturing civil unrest with immigration policy using racial tensions, religious tensions um in order to you know usher in a surveillance state, a central bank digital currency, a digital ID. Uh they know that when you do this, you're going to create civil unrest. When you have civil unrest, you have what they had at Patriot Act after 9/11. you have the ability to implement what they what they want to implement which is control the west fully uh through the technical industrial complex and um it's a very successful operation >> successful in the short term let me so my prime framing in life I I put together uh energy in the economy and really we like to think of energy as a subset of the economy but it's exactly backwards if you have energy all things are possible and all things flow from that and So, isn't this kind of like the children's story, killing the goose that laid the golden egg? So, so, so they're torpedoing Germany, the the industrial heart of Europe. They are losing all of their energyintensive industries because, you know, they blew up the the Nordstream pipelines and they took down their last power nuclear power plants and they put this horribly uh expensive and intermittent alternative energy in its place. Uh, so they're de-industrializing very rapidly. I get it. So, but is private what are they going to swoop in and clean up? They're going to they're basically going to in order to gain 10% of the country's former output, they're willing to sacrifice the other 90%. I I don't get it. It's like it looks like it's a self- emilation project right now. >> Um that would make sense if you thought America was national and Europe was national and sovereign and UK was national and sovereign. Um they're owned by the proof of weapons network. And so the financial industrial complex is looking at a spreadsheet and saying right um we've assets stripped everything we can get out of here. Um they're so mentally drugaddicted, homeless, wealth inequality. Um they're not having children anymore. Like where where's the labor? Who's still having labor right now? Uh the Africans and the Middle East Muslim countries. So they're saying, right, they're the only ones that are still having labor. Um, you know, what are we going to do with the West? Well, we need to replace all the labor with robotics and AI. Um, we need to vaselize everything so that we can build all these data centers and we need to engineer a reset of the world order in the Middle East. So, how do we do that? Well, historically, Israel has been part of the military-industrial complex. I don't think Netanyahu works for Israel. Uh Netanyahu works for the military-industrial complex. His job was to prop up the petro dollar, make sure that the Middle East never unified around their energy. Um, and Israel was a mechanism for using religious tensions to weaponize the Jewish faith to recruit a radicalized army. that believed that they were being killed by Muslims. They also used a series of operations like Iraq war, 911 or the forever wars or the plan of the seven countries that they already decided they were going to invade pre 911 um in order to radicalize militia groups, create groups like ISIS, al-Qaeda. Um and these are just paid militia. They're not they're not people that are trying to implement Islam around the world. narrative. These are armies that are agents of chaos open to the highest bidder and contractors to intelligence. Okay. Um and then what did they do? They radicalized evangelical Christians into believing and this is a narrative that's being disrupted right now into believing you need to protect Israel. So you you weaponized Christianity, Islam, and Judaism in order to make sure that the Middle East would never reunify around that early Egyptian vid vision of a of an Arab League unified around their resources. Um, but now you want to work with the the Middle East. So now you say, right, the military-industrial complex will exit the forever war model. What are you going to give us? Uh that's where the financial industrial complex comes in. And they said right well in order to work with Saudi Arabia, Qatar, UAE, the Gulf States, the Gulf Cooperation Council, let's stop this narrative of Iran versus Israel. Um let's get, you know, China normalized between Iran and Saudi and said, let's dolarize. So, China came along, created the construct for peace in the Middle East. Um, and then now you've just got Israel, which historically has been propped up by military budgets, and you say, "Right, Israel, you're going to become a normal state now. Um, and we would like to invest in stability and regional stability. So let's vaselize the entire Leavant Lebanon um you know uh have a Palestinian state. Saudi bought the European leaders. So you got the recognition of Palestine in Europe because Saudi spent $3 trillion uh to invest in infra all of the buying of Europe with the financial industrial complex. And so now if you look at every single deal that's happening in the world all of them you'll see them come out today you've got the financial industrial complex and the GCC in every deal whether it's the acquisition of X whether it's the acquisition of open AI whether it's investment in Nvidia it is large financial players co-investing with the Gulf countries um and so they are saying we we now want to invest in building data centers and AI in the Middle We want you to have a nuclear program. So, let's just take away the nuclear weapon narrative, which was a narrative. Let's take away strategic tension between Iran and Israel that never fight but continually look like they're going to fight. Let's stop funding the militia groups. Let's dradicalize. Let's tell the world like and you're getting all of these different people that are coming out and like Ducker Carlson, Candace Owen and even the extremists like Nick Fuentes that were cancelled before. You have these people that are now pushing narrative of it wasn't us. We were blackmailed by Jeffrey Epstein. It we we never did this. It's it's Israel that did this. It's because Netanyahu rules the world. The Zionists rule the world. and with ethical Americans that got fooled by these radicals and they're even pushing out, you know, I believe the algorithms are allowing for Jew hatred and Muslim hatred in order to, you know, push out these almost Nazilike narratives. Um, and this is, I think, it serves two purpose, a destabilization campaign in the West and a regional stability campaign in the Middle East. And so now I believe you're going to get the fastest growth in the Middle East because for the first time uh you've got Gulf and Iran who were the most important customer China and so bricks aligned with Russia Iran they've got this alternative payment network they partnered with the Gulf countries to ddollarize and the price of gold's going through the roof and world reserve currency in dollars and treasury ries is going down. You've got the dollar weakening. You've got the long-term rates of bonds going up. And you've got Trump saying, "Let's let's use fiscal dominance. Forget the Fed. Let's install some puppets. Um let's get those rates down to a quarter of a percent." which is another way of saying let's pump the hell out of the stock market and let's refinance the American debt at subsidized below market rates. How do we do that? Let's create stable coins. Let's deregulate pensions. Let's dump it on the American people cuz Japan's selling the UK. We can just make them buy it. That's they're our largest buyer. But who's the largest buyer of foreign buyer of government government US government treasuries right now? It's Cayman Island. Who's Cayman Island? [laughter] >> Who's Cayman? It's it's it's the hedge funds. It's the financial industrial complex. So they're dumping subsidized US debt. And then you get things like 50-year mortgages, which is a bailout for the banks. um you know that's the banks are sat on two you know trillions of dollars of two to three% mortgages that they'd like everyone to refinance to 6 to 8% um you know and that's we'll do that through the 50 year. So all policies are let's give them $2,000 check stimulate. Let's do extended mortgages. Let's launch stable coins backed by treasuries. Let's de let's allow more product into treasuries. Let's push the rates down below market rate. That is subsidizing stock market growth. pumping the market while co-investing in the new world order and shrinking America into a regional power and then testing telling the world how do we tell the world don't work with America don't work with China now that's tariffs is one way of doing it and the other way is saying we're going to kill all the Christian the Christians are being targeted in Nigeria Nigeria is going to say hold on is America going to raid us right now uh we better start working with China we better start working with Russia. We better start putting our alternative defense contracts and and even with Israel, they're saying, "All right, Israel is no longer needed." What's happening? Qatar is now doing an agreement with America, and they're all circumventing, and the the Gulf countries are all doing deals without the need for the agitation, the military-industrial complex. Um, and so I I think it's very very clear. Um, and and what is China? China is the access to rare earth minerals. There was the trade war could never have been won. You need those rare earth minerals. Those rare earth minerals are part of military, AI, robotics, everything. The big seven. Um, and what is Africa? Africa is China's territory now. It's the Gulf countries, the Gulf. So, so we have really transitioned to a multipolar world. Um and Saudi went from 100% petro dollar to 70% petro dollar and 30% petro yuan. Um and and now China's got you know they don't have their own oil and gas but they they bought the largest reserves and so they can control energy prices as well even though they don't produce them. So you you're quite right wherever energy goes the economy flows. >> It's the spice in the story. So, um, if if I could paraphrase though, it kind of sounds like this network has like a like locust coming in as a plague. It's kind of asset stripped everything it kind of can out of the US and the West generally, which I'll include Europe in that. Um, and so there's not there's not a lot of squeeze left here for not a lot of juice left in the squeeze, right? What are you going to do? Make Ford trucks 200,000? Make us pay $30,000 a month for, you know, health insurance or whatever the story? There's not a lot left that it's kind of squeezed out. Problem, you can't just put your McKenzie consultants and bankers into China. They get spotted pretty quickly. China has no need for that stuff. But they are the value ad manufacturing center in the Middle East is the last great source of of cheap energy that can be exported to the world. um that feels like a match made in heaven. But you can't sounds like what you're saying is this this network is trying to figure out how it sort of moves its locus to this next layer over here without losing control along the way. Um is that true? And B, what does losing control actually look like to somebody living in the west? >> Yeah, sure. So um I'll take the first question. So there's no comp competitor to America in the proof of weapons network as a sovereign state. Um you know you have uh the proof of weapons network across the financial industrial complex is managing about $30 trillion of assets. Like you know the Gulf countries collectively are managing $5 trillion of assets. Um and then you got China. You know China PPP is you know it already is a is is won the trade law. That's that's a done deal. Um but the the um nobody [clears throat] competes with you know America is still very strong. It's a regional power you know it's got a lot for it. Um but its influence cannot exert influence beyond the region now you know it can you can capture Latin and South America hence the Venezuela stuff you know you figure out is that China's is that ours and and you got a few little battles. So there was that Pakistan and India little tuffle. Um you know Pakistan is essentially historically a vassel for US and IMF but now China comes along with Belton Road and Pakistan sat in the middle. Are you are you China or are you America is kind of that battle and so the proof of weapons network is saying right where's our weak points? Who can we target to vasilize and infiltrate the regional powers? Firstly, the reason this is happening is because the American or proof of weapons network strategy or the military was always divide and conquer. That was always the strate domination through no competition. Uh that was always the strategy. Now what the world has figured out is they said right well you know alone and divided we're pretty Uh but unified as a regional block we're we're powerful. And so you had bricks um you had GCC the Gulf Cooperation Council. You had ASEAN uh which is the Southeast Asian and Asian Exporters driven countries. Um and then you had the SEO which is the Shanghai um corporation um organization. And so they organized into blocks and they started strategically deciding where is our strength. So in the Gulf countries they said Turkey, Egypt, you've got strong military but you're you're subordinate to NATO and IMF in case of Egypt. Um but together as the Gulf countries uh we can all partner with China and BRICS and so BRICS partnered with GCCO partnered with Azin and these regional blocks became a a real competing power with 75% of the world's GDP. And so I think the proof of weapons network said how which what's the weak points in each one? And so they looked at bricks and said India uh India has a neoliberal they're a rising power they have a population that can compete with China um we have a great you know we we we have you know many immigrants that are uh through um you know pushing money back into the country and they said we we can use the neoliberal strategy. So let's agitate you know let's agitate some covert operations between Pakistan and India and see how vasilized we can get them you know see how much deals we can get done and then they said what about the GCC well let's go for UAE they seem to be the most western aligned um and so recently you saw a big media blitz on Sudan um you know that's because that's a GCC territorial battle Saudi in Egypt are back in one side, UAE's back in the other. So why don't we put some media attention on UAE's role in the humanitarian crisis in Sudan? And so you see these games where they push out media narrative um in order to get deals on their terms. Now to me this is an acceleration of peace but under the financial industrial complex's terms. So I believe one by one many of the fake wars that were backed by western imperial interest or Russian um and different interests and China interests they're being resolved one by one but you're getting pushes of media narrative. To me that's a good sign. Uh but what they're doing is the financial industrial complex is trying to use the the media in order to get the best terms on their terms because they know that once you lock in regional peace, there's lots of money in in the rebuild. There's lots of money in rebuilding all the war zones. Um but they don't have control over China, which is bricks. They don't have control over Saudi, which is GCC. They don't have control over, you know, Singapore and various other things. We got some control, but they're sovereign wealth. They've got sovereign wealth and they don't have a western central bank. So, we can't financialize and securitize and acquire. And so, you got sovereign countries that don't have Western central banks have built sovereign wealth. They're negotiating with the financial industrial complex. And so they're saying, "What could we do? Why don't we try and get bricks to do a single currency and we can do what we did to Europe?" Oh, they didn't fall for that. They're all trading in their own currencies. Damn, that trick didn't work. Um, and that was Goldman Sachs's idea uh to do a single currency through bricks. Um, [clears throat] what what can we do? Well, um, you know, we have to accept let the only thing we can do is get everyone trading in their own currencies and then we'll start creating index funds in alternative currencies. We'll start creating a Bitcoin ETF. Uh, we'll start creating alternative gold products in alternative ETFs in alternative currencies. And so what you're what you're noticing is they're pumping the US stock market. um they're managing the transition. Many of the banks started buying the Bitcoin ETF. All the central banks started buying gold. Um and they're hedging by pricing products in alternative currencies so that when they want to manage the real transition, the Federal Reserve just switches policy from QE when they're ready. Um and so that's what I think that they're they're doing. And and again, it doesn't mean they succeed. These operations fail a lot of the time. People get knocked off the network. People don't succeed. It's a remember, it's not an organized cabal that rules the world. It's a decentralized network of power and wealth that also compete with each other. And uh and sometimes, for example, I believe what we're witnessing in Israel is you got Trump that represents the financial industrial complex, Netanyahu that represents the military-industrial complex. He wants the war to continue and get America into a war with Iran, but they're saying, "No, no, no. The goal is regional stability." And so, you're getting all of these negotiations and people that are saying, "Right, well, I'm going to privatize everything, but make sure I don't Netanyahu is saying make sure I don't go to prison." And so, Trump has to endorse. And then you get email leaks from the Epstein files, which is, "Everybody stay on track. you guys are going off track. Let's leak some information if you go off track. Um, you know, because I don't believe the the I don't believe that Trump has control over those files. We we know who's on those files because you can look at who settled JP Morgan, you know, the banksters, the industrial, the the donor class. It's not the celebrities. They had a lot of politicians in there because it was a black male network. Uh, but it's the donor class. And so you can see the proof of weapons network pushing out um you know the these different messages of remember everybody we're moving to multipolarity. Don't suddenly get patriotic. Uh remember what's happening here. We're moving to multiparity. Um and that's what I think they're engineering. >> So in that engineering sweep then I've had this sense that there's some sort of a ticking clock, right? Things are really speeding up. And my sense is hypothesis that they've really needed something like AI, a a system of total domination, the eye of Sauron, able to control everything, see every crevice of your life, tell you what to buy, what not to buy, when to travel 15 minutes or not. Just control freaks, right? But I feel like the they know that the other the old system has an expiry date and we need to get to this new system and it's going to be a digital system, right? Which is mostly digital prisons, I think, the way they're setting it up at this point. But um is that it it like here's my belief. I think they don't know what they don't know. I think they're very smart people. I don't believe they understand or appreciate complex systems. And that our economy, our vaulted economy, is really a very subtle set of nested complex systems where your behaviors and my behaviors feed off of each other in in emergent unpredictable ways. And you multiply that by a billion points of of interactions on a daily basis and that's the economy. I think they think they can control it. And as a scientist, you can't control complex systems. You can only nudge them and get sort of different but emergent behaviors you have to witness. I think they think they can lock this thing down and get what they want. Um, what do you think of that idea? >> Um, I agree. Um, and I think they have an exit strategy and a control strategy. And so the idea is let's control what we can control. But the minute this gets out of control, I know where I'm going to be. Everyone else can deal with it, you know. So that that's what I think we're I think we're witnessing right now. Um I do believe that across the West, the proof of weapons network is what I believe the power structure is as as best as I can understand it and articulate it. Um I do believe there are sovereign countries which they have to negotiate with. you can't control China, you know, you can't um you can influence through trade, but you can't you have to negotiate, you can't vilize. Um and and that's that's a friction. And that's why you've got the two in the AI battle. uh because the AI battle and the Middle East has just said we want to sit in between that and we want to provide the energy nuclear energy um and we'd like the data centers here please and we just want to sit between you in a tax neutral jurisdiction between China and you know between bricks and the regional west uh and you know the proof of weapons network and they they want to sit in the middle with those capital flows and so you do things like stable coins And um if you look at the west, the west is being split up into uh so the proof of weapons network wants private or public you know corporate control. That's what America is. So America is the host of uh subordinating all the governments to corporate control. But you want the governments underneath it to be just fully controlled by the European Central Bank, the Bank of England. And so what do you do in Europe? You do a central bank digital currency. In UK, you do a central bank digital currency. Um that requires civil unrest in order to scare people into signing on to a digital ID. And so you have to manufacture civil unrest in those in those areas. Um, in the end, we're going to do the same in America, but we're going to use a stable coin. Why a stable coin? A stable coin is a privatized version of a central bank digital currency. They don't want to hand over control to the government. They want governments to be vassels to corporates. And so everything goes up to those stable coins. And those stable coins are backed by fiscal dominance and the US debt. Um, and so that's their strategy of vasilizing the entire West into a stable coin so they can dump all of the US debt and the below market rate treasuries on the West. Uh, so they're the bag holders because the foreigners aren't buying them anymore. Um, in the meantime, that takes us into a world of uncertainty because this labor force isn't productive here. Uh we need to tell the Americans that we're building rebuilding our manufacturing base. Um we can push down rates by saying unemployment data means that we don't care about inflation because the Fed's called the twin mandate inflation and unemploy unemployment. Uh we can use employment as a mechanism for getting those rates down while the data look you know inflation is rampant but let's move it to structural manipulated 3% rather than 2%. Um you can get oil prices down to try and dampen some of that inflation but the only other way to get the deflationary impact is artificial intelligence and robotics. So that is the manufacturing base. Um if you look at all the layoffs they're saying um the recent you know spike 150,000 layoffs in October a million over the year um that I think they said that was the biggest since uh 1993 or something maybe 2003 sorry if I got that wrong um but a long time anyway um and they said the layoffs are coming the primary reason was firstly government so Doge um the government is essentially just a piggyback bank for the corporate interest, but they're laying off um and uh and providing all the data to AI. Of course, that's what Doge was, I think, in my opinion. Um it was a data collection exercise for Palunteer and uh Elon and the social credit score that X has become um and [clears throat] um uh yeah, push off and siphon off all of that data. And they said that most of the automation's happening in warehousing. Uh so that to me implies robotics is here. South Korea just announced that they're doing fully automated warehouses. Um and so robotics and AI is is the thing now that has vast unemployment. Where does that take us? I mean, who knows? Why don't we test a stable coin universal basic income? I know Trump says tariffs. Everyone can have a tariff dividend. Uh [clears throat] let's see if we can give everyone $2,000. that feels like incremental steps to a privatized universal basic income if they I mean it may not pass Congress. It could just be rhetoric, you know, you don't know with Trump. Um but you you can see where they're they're taking surveillance state there. Uh resetting the world order. Um but I'm sadly just think the West doesn't return from this. um you've got I would say I personally believe um that the tactics that the West used via the British and American Empire on Asia, on the Middle East, on the global south, on um Africa are being used and they're coming home. And so the colored revolutions, the civil unrest, the overthrow, the weaponization of religious tensions, racial tensions, I see all of that th those tactics that I saw around the world coming home. Um, and so the rich get richer, the poor get poorer. You end up on a universal basic income or you end up with all the assets. Um and the way to manage this is to in a fiscal dominance environment I believe is to own scarce assets um and the right stocks and so you either co-invest with Black Rockck um they manage your offshore exposure and most of the stock markets right now are outperforming the S&P. Um the S&P looks really strong but it's only because it's priced in a devaluing currency. If you price it in gold, um it's going down. Uh Bitcoin's had a bit of a hard time this year, but if you price it in Bitcoin, um it's, you know, it's in a bare market. Real estate stocks, all of them are in bare market in Bitcoin and gold. If you price it over, you know, the last decade or so. Um you need to own scarce assets to ride it. That's the gold story. Um, and I think real estate will be pumped. Obviously, that's a generalized statement. Location matters. You understand whatever. Um, or you own the stocks and get the exposure, you know, which is international. You got to see outside of America right now. And you're seeing that the stocks are just becoming the big 10 tech companies with some resources and everything else is struggling like mergers and acquisitions of the private sector. Businesses are going bankrupt. Uh mergers and acquisitions are go are rampant and through the roof. And now we've got a $5 trillion company called Nvidia. Why is that? It's because it's the AI data center. So the stock market is no longer a function of revenue, profits, earnings per share. It's a function of geopolitically strategic importance to the proof of weapons network. They'll never let Nvidia go because Nvidia is going to be building these data centers and giving us its leverage. When they're negotiating with the Gulf countries, they're negotiating with Nvidia. When they're negotiating with China, they're negotiating with semiconductor chips. Well, that's fascinating. You know, again, let me put my resource hat on for a second. Um, even the EIA in the United States, which is the Energy Information Agency under the DOE, has has said, "Look, um, the shale basins are about played out. They're going to start peaking now. By 2027, that's it. Off they go." Right? And that's it. That's the end of the shale story. You know, not and it doesn't run out, but I mean, it's not an engine of oil growth anymore. Similarly, um we have a lot of natural gas, but we are LNG terminaling it so fast. Plus the data centers, which by the way, nobody can give me an honest, accurate accounting at the national level of how many are actually going in. Even states don't know necessarily how many are going in, right? It's kind of vague, right? So, it's got this feeling to me like it's it's an existential emergency. I know them when I smell them, right? Suddenly, Bill Gates is no longer about climate change. he suddenly thinks maybe it's not as important as we thought because obviously he's going to make a lot of money off a data center so changes his tune. That kind of guy. So, but I watch them put these these data centers in with their horrific energy demands. And by the way, I think of them as giant toaster ovens that don't actually make toast, right? They take tasty molecules of natural gas and they turn it into waste heat and that's what they do. And cute pictures of cats, right? It's fine. [snorts] But I look at this and it's just such an it's such a pelmemell thing. I this is the easiest thing for me to see. We're sailing right into an energy crisis. It's already hit lots of households with doubling and even triplings of energy bills, electricity bills. And that's going to continue because it's the oldest supply demand price chart in the world. And again, I don't Simon, I don't get the sense that if somebody has a plan, man, they are keeping it hidden uh really well from me. >> Yeah. I mean um so you know China has been it's so again climate change narrative was more like a substitute okay we're going to hit peak energy and therefore we need to replace it with renewable energy um now I don't think it's a substitute anymore I think it's an addition you know it's every type of energy every way possible nuclear energy renewable energy LNG oil every energy the the demand for energy in every form uh goes through the roof roof because this is just an energy um guzzler and um I think the amount of investment I think in there's trillions of dollars in investment that needs to be placed um into uh all of these different forms of energy. Um nothing stops this train you know and uh and and that's where a lot of the fiscal dominance is going to happen. And um I just see everyone just there's energy for everything is where it goes. And how do you constrict people? Well, >> carbon credits, tokenize it, um make people compete in the market for their energy. >> And so that's part of the whole stable coin, social credit score, carbon credit score, you know, >> and that's the sad thing. the the the people don't matter in this plan. You know, the only the only countries that are saying, "Let's take our money and reinvest it in our people are the sovereign ones. It's the Gulf countries. It's the Chinese. It's the Russians." Um, America doesn't care about the Americans. The UK doesn't care about the Brits. The Europeans don't care about, you know, the EC, the European Union doesn't care about the Europeans. Uh, these are just assets. And so everything is about data centers, uh, water and energy, and we're going to AI, robotics, and nothing stops that train. I can't see anything that stops that train. Um, and I I I think, um, they're thinking about every form of energy in order to power this thing. Uh, and China's been China's been buying all the oil, all the gas, all the investment in renewable energy, all the nuclear programs. Um, and this is why Middle East needs regional stability. They're saying we can't mess around with wars anymore. We need this energy. >> Absolutely. So, let's talk about exit strategies then. So, we hinted at it before. Um, I had a two-part question. Part two was really like, well, what if they fumble the ball, right? And you said, well, they have their exit strategies. My exit strategy is I'm talking to you from my home studio and right outside these walls, I got cows, I got chickens, I got I got a spring, I've got I got like a little farm, right? It's a part of my strategy. I sit in gold. I sit in silver. I sit in hard assets. Um I'm clearly investing in this energy stuff that's coming forward. That's what I'm doing. But let's talk what what can what can people listening to this? They they see all this big stuff going on. Obviously, there's elephants dancing. We're all just mice in the field. What do the mice do? >> Yeah. I mean, um I think it moves back. So in the case of the west, if you're in America, um I believe it becomes all about community. Um I think what people need to do is pretend that the government's not going to look after you. >> Um there is no there is no healthare. Uh there is no you know anything. Um there is no universal basic income and start with that and say what am I going to do to look after myself? Mhm. >> Well, the first thing is, you know, it's interesting, right, across across America and the West, you you find all these little communities of cult leaders, and they seem to create these self um you know, uh pro, you know, neutral cults of people that all look after each other and look after the community. Why not do that without the cult? Does there need to be a cult leader? Uh why can't people just look after each other and bolt by and various other things? So, I think people need to get used to that if they're not wealthy already. I personally believe in the next 5 years we're going to have 200 years of change. Just imagine. I could be wrong, >> but I think there's 200 years of change. I think in 5 years, >> we probably don't recognize what what this AI experiment does. Uh I don't know. I really don't know. Um but I do know that I want to own my own assets, whether that be >> gold or personally I like Bitcoin because it's easier to self custody. it comes with a higher risk to gold. Um, and I think people just need to everything should be about thinking about how to be sovereign in every way possible. Um, and build your community, build your followers, build your little communities that you bought by, get to know if you if you don't know your neighbors, now is the time to build relationships with neighbors. Um, I don't think people should be living in cities in this transition. I think you should be thinking about, you know, the things that you've been talking about. >> Um, I think the cities are going to be the hardest hit. Um, and, uh, you know, right now you need to be, I mean, everyone's so deep in debt that this might just be silly advice, but the obvious advice, spend less than you earn, save the difference in a hot asset. Um, and that asset needs to outperform the proof of weapons network, and that's that's how you increase your wealth. uh because everyone else is um is either going to be looked after by the government or looked after by you working with your community. So the government may look after you, but I'd be preparing for how the community look after each other. Um and I I don't know I don't know what else to say, but I do believe that I I reckon you got 5 years to figure this stuff out because I don't know what the world looks like after 5 years. Um and that's what I think everyone needs to think about now. And and I could we could be exaggerating, we could be wrong, but if you prepare for the next 5 years as if I was if this was true, you'll be better prepared for whatever the next 10 years gives us, you know. So I I think we've just hit crunch point and I think the world can look around and they can see look we we're not the worst is not looking healthy like um everything is looking strange. We're treating each other. It's getting more and more populous. Um, people are talking about militias and revolutions and revolution is part of their plan, by the way. That's how you get the surveillance state, but they don't care if you have a revolution. That's okay. They figured out what they do with a revolution. Um, and that you need to build your wealth. You need to build your community. And I do leave with there is a greater power structure. this artificial intelligence may be the very same the very same thing that messes them up as well. We don't know. Um but I have a spiritual belief that there is a higher higher power which is God and God has a plan and um you know we need to figure out what that means in terms of our connection. I'm not here to preach you. It comes in all sorts of different forms spiritual different religions. Um but you know there is a greater power and this network is very evil and I do believe that um God has a plan for evil and um I don't think evil prevails you [laughter] know so do with that as you would your spiritual connection your community connection um and build your build your wealth um in neutral assets. Perfectly said. I honestly couldn't have said it better myself and I've been studying this for decades. Um that's right where I came to as well. And all the way down to this idea that um evil has exposed itself. And once I saw it, I couldn't unsee it. And it's just there. It's a force. And um history, if you get your history from the Bible, says we've been here before. This is a great pendulum of humanity. We lose the plot from time to time. And obviously, a country that's allowed itself to slip to a point where one in 30 children is developing autism when it can't protect its own children has entirely lost the plot. right? As one one indicator, right? I have many indicators, but just to say fractally speaking, I don't need more than that one indicator to say lost the plot. Um, and we know what happens next in that story. It's been termed wrath in the past. Um, and sometimes that wrath is just the outcome of making really bad decisions. Um, and sometimes it might be something more divine. I don't know. But I think it does get hard for a while. So I would echo that that that everybody should be thinking about becoming more resilient and that's emotionally, spiritually, financially. You want to have skills, right? Absolutely. Um you want to have obviously assets. A lot of people, Simon, I say prepare and they think bullets, beans, and bunkers, right? That's fine, but that's just one component. That's material wealth. There's all these other forms of wealth you really should be building up right now. Chief among those is your emotional resilience, which begins with me not allowing these stupid AI algorithms to control my emotional state and to feed me all that propaganda you've been talking about. It's really important. Keep an equal calm head. >> Yeah, I agree. Um, the algorithm that you're being fed right now is designed to make you hate people. Um, you know, depending on which side of the algorithm is, you either hate Muslims, you hate Jews. Um, you hate Democrats, you hate Republicans. Like, I understand who you >> Yeah. You know, you're a white nationalist. You, it's the immigrants, it's the blacks, it's whatever. Um, your algorithm is feeding you the content to push your hatred. That is very, very deliberate. You got to become very conscious of that because that is a psychological operation um that is happening. Um, and I really love um your uh that you said children um because I completely agree with that. I I feel like if there's one thing that we universally agree on that we should be protecting our children like you know whatever color or religion that child is, we inherently understand that that is an innocent to be protected to be nurtured. And when we're using children and there is sexual pedophilia rings, there is children being blown up in wars, um there is, you know, the the weaponization of children and we're not even having children, you know, there's some, you know, there's something wrong. Um, and uh, I think that's a really like good way of saying no, this this doesn't last cuz uh, I think the if we've lost the ability to protect and have children, um, then we've we've gone off the we've gone off the plot, then we need to return to that. How do we look after our children, whether whatever religion, race, or creed they may be? You know, we can all agree we should be we should be protecting our innocent children. Um and uh if we're not doing that, we need to figure out how to do that again. >> Well, absolutely. And when we do discover that say people at the FDA or CDC had purposely hidden harmful trial results uh so that they could continue to do whatever, sell more whatever for pharma. I honestly think those people need to um be held to account in the highest possible way and we need to have real consequences. So, if I was going to run for president, I' I'd have one plank and everybody could try and ask me anything they want about anything and I'd come right back to my plank, which is consequences. They're not just for little people anymore, you know? That would be the whole thing. [laughter] >> I agree. And we're um we're poisoning our children. We're injecting our children. Like, there's >> there's something up here. Um you know, we need to remind oursel what we were brought on this earth to do and it's not what we're currently doing. >> Correct. Well, Simon, what an amazing conversation and I obviously we could go a lot longer, but I'm going to call it there. Uh, where can people find you and follow your work? >> Um, so I'm very active on X. Um, so you can follow me at Simon Dixon Twitter, TWWIT, when it from when it was Twitter. Um, I go live on YouTube. Just look up my name and I, uh, have a weekly show called Bitcoin Hard Talk. It says Bitcoin because that's where I came from. Uh, but what I do is I go through following the money in Bitcoin and crypto and tech. Um, I do this week in macro and I do this week in geopolitics. So, in order to make sure I'm staying up to date with everything that's happening every week, I have to report it to everyone on a Friday. So, I do these marathon shows every Friday mainly to keep myself up to date by and you can benefit from me following the money. Um, and then I publish everything on my blog, simonixon.com. I'm very fortunate that I've managed to exit my business. Um, Bitcoin gave me a level of financial independence I never thought was possible. Um, and so I'm kind of in that stage of life of where I like to give back with no sponsorship, no monetization. Um, and I'm just trying to build a community of people that uh are going to be able to look after each other a bit better. >> Oh, that that's absolutely wonderful. And it's very clear. It's obvious that that you have no financial conflicts of interest. You're willing to um say what sounds to me like the truth, right? Which is just here's here are the facts. Here's how the pattern fits [music] and um you don't have to worry about sponsors yelling at you. So that sort of comes through loud and clear. So thank you so much for doing that. Thank you for your time today and and I wish you all the best and let's stay in contact. >> Yeah, absolutely. Um Chris, I really enjoyed the conversation. Really appreciate your work. I think you're doing very valuable thing and educating people on how to navigate this um [music] I think is what we should be doing. So I'd love to come back at any time and uh appreciate you having me. Thank you Chris.